Hollywood Indirect Racism

freshnesschronic · 06-30-2010, 01:25 PM

I just read this awesome article about Hollywood racism. The movie "The Last Airbender".

http://splinterend.tumblr.com/post/7...0/facepainting

It's how white actors are cast into movies based off an Asian story, replacing the Asian characters with a white cast. And the only people who look remotely ethnic are the villains, who contrast distinctly compared with the white actors.

As an Asian American it does kinda piss me off that this movie, the last Dragonball Z (a Japanese cartoon with an all white cast) movie, take away the Asian influence almost entirely.

The characters and the setting are in China for this movie...so why are all the characters white?? Jeez....just putting it out there...

jinx · 06-30-2010, 01:31 PM

Hey, I know a guy that's in this movie. He works at our gym...

Shawnee123 · 06-30-2010, 01:34 PM

Was he ever in a movie with Kevin Bacon?

Gravdigr · 06-30-2010, 03:02 PM

[Sarcasm]This is different from all the American actors in Chinese/Japanese-made movies?[/Sarcasm]

monster · 07-01-2010, 10:12 AM

Um yes, there aren't a greath wealth of Anglo-Chinese and no Anglo-Japanese for those countries to choose from, but there are plenty of Asian-Americans. Great melting pot and all....?

lumberjim · 07-01-2010, 10:16 AM

sorry

Flint · 07-01-2010, 10:52 AM

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As an Asian American it does kinda piss me off that this movie, the last Dragonball Z (a Japanese cartoon with an all white cast) movie, take away the Asian influence almost entirely.

freshnesschronic, it is my understanding that manga ("anime") characters have been illustrated, traditionally, with western features. This is because the pioneers of manga animation were heavily influenced by the success of Walt Disney, and emulated the Disney illustration style. In other words, characters in Japanese cartoons have NEVER been depicted with Asian features.

In this context, how is the "racism of Hollywood" to blame for a style originated in Asia, by Asians?

jinx · 07-01-2010, 10:56 AM

It's a process. The examples from the past really illustrate how far we've come don't they? I'm not saying we've achieved racial equality, but take a minute to appreciate the successes and to see where this will eventually go.

Gravdigr · 07-02-2010, 01:20 PM

If you watch a movie filmed in Russia, by a Russian studio...Shocker of all shockers, it will contain predominantly (hold on to your hat) Russian actors. I can't watch 'Das Boot' and gripe because they didn't have the common decency to speak English. It's a German film. Imagine if they peppered several Asian-Germans into the story.

If the Swiss remake 'Amistad', on the other hand, they're fucked.

Clodfobble · 07-02-2010, 07:10 PM

...But Gravdigr, that means what you're essentially saying is that America = white. If your statement is valid, then how is it an American studio managed to make Amistad with black actors in the first place?

freshnesschronic · 07-03-2010, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

freshnesschronic, it is my understanding that manga ("anime") characters have been illustrated, traditionally, with western features. This is because the pioneers of manga animation were heavily influenced by the success of Walt Disney, and emulated the Disney illustration style. In other words, characters in Japanese cartoons have NEVER been depicted with Asian features.

this is not correct at all. I watch anime and read manga. There are plenty of "Asian" features in the Japanese illustrations.

I just agree with most of the article, wanted to put it out there for everyone to read, form own opinions. As a recent Asian American graduate, a lot of my Asian American friends do not support this film. Don't blame the actors, blame production.

gvidas · 07-03-2010, 02:07 AM

kind of a tangent -- sexism, not racism -- but interesting fpr how simple it is: The Bechdel Test

Quote:

1. It has to have at least two women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man

Clodfobble · 07-03-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

this is not correct at all. I watch anime and read manga. There are plenty of "Asian" features in the Japanese illustrations.

There are "plenty," yes. But there are also "plenty" of series that contain nothing but very obviously white features, especially the ones targeted at the younger audience, which Airbender happens to be.

Incidentally, Airbender isn't anime: it was made by an American studio attempting to imitate popular anime styles. Here is an actor/animation comparison. Just look at those Asian features on the main character's animation (top photo.)

There's actually some debate on the internet as to whether the actor's half-Asian. Meanwhile, the bad guy (second photo) is Indian, the chick is Russian, and the best friend is white. Could they have gone for more Asian-looking actors to stay true to the backstory? Sure. On the other hand, the animators could have too.

freshnesschronic · 07-03-2010, 11:10 AM

Clodfobble, this is besides the point. This is an Asian cultured film (the setting is the East), so what if illustration didn't make them all chinky-eyed and buck teeth, prominent "Asian" features. Who says they aren't Asian, are you the judge of that?

The racism debate with casting is on the news, which somewhat comforts me that some people can be educated about it..and it's sad that those with ties in Hollywood are trying to dodge the question (as I jjust saw someone skirt the subject when it came up on a TV show), as they have no good answer.

lookout123 · 07-03-2010, 11:16 AM

Clodfobbble, your powerful application of fact and logic are useless here.

06-30-2010, 01:25 PM	#1
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Hollywood Indirect Racism I just read this awesome article about Hollywood racism. The movie "The Last Airbender". http://splinterend.tumblr.com/post/7...0/facepainting It's how white actors are cast into movies based off an Asian story, replacing the Asian characters with a white cast. And the only people who look remotely ethnic are the villains, who contrast distinctly compared with the white actors. As an Asian American it does kinda piss me off that this movie, the last Dragonball Z (a Japanese cartoon with an all white cast) movie, take away the Asian influence almost entirely. The characters and the setting are in China for this movie...so why are all the characters white?? Jeez....just putting it out there...

06-30-2010, 01:31 PM	#2
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07-01-2010, 10:56 AM	#8
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	It's a process. The examples from the past really illustrate how far we've come don't they? I'm not saying we've achieved racial equality, but take a minute to appreciate the successes and to see where this will eventually go. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

07-02-2010, 01:20 PM	#9
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	If you watch a movie filmed in Russia, by a Russian studio...Shocker of all shockers, it will contain predominantly (hold on to your hat) Russian actors. I can't watch 'Das Boot' and gripe because they didn't have the common decency to speak English. It's a German film. Imagine if they peppered several Asian-Germans into the story. If the Swiss remake 'Amistad', on the other hand, they're fucked. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

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07-03-2010, 11:10 AM	#14
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Clodfobble, this is besides the point. This is an Asian cultured film (the setting is the East), so what if illustration didn't make them all chinky-eyed and buck teeth, prominent "Asian" features. Who says they aren't Asian, are you the judge of that? The racism debate with casting is on the news, which somewhat comforts me that some people can be educated about it..and it's sad that those with ties in Hollywood are trying to dodge the question (as I jjust saw someone skirt the subject when it came up on a TV show), as they have no good answer.

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