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spudcon · 06-02-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

no - people with guns kill people

People with cars, motorcycles, bombs and drugs kill people.

Radar · 06-02-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

no - people with guns kill people

People kill. The weapon they happen to be using is irrelevant.

DanaC · 06-03-2008, 06:59 AM

Not really. Takes way more effort and skill to kill with a blade than with a gun. Much easier to kill accidentally with a gun as well.

classicman · 06-03-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

People with cars, motorcycles, bombs and drugs kill people.

yes but all of those things (except Bombs????) were are created for a beneficial purpose - Guns are designed to kill. That is their purpose.
I am not trying to get into this again - I own several guns - all used for trap/skeet shooting & on rare occasions hunting . They are safely kept where there will be no accidents. My children do not have access to them.

I've heard all the arguments, but still have a difficult time with the "need" to make assault weapons, and to some extent hand guns, available to the general public.

TheMercenary · 06-03-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I've heard all the arguments, but still have a difficult time with the "need" to make assault weapons, and to some extent hand guns, available to the general public.

For me it just comes down to free choice. I have a number of "ugly guns", few people actually own true assault weapons. I collect military style arms from all eras because they are fun to shoot and collect. My main hunting rifle is a .303 Enfield. The only thing that is different is what they look like, not the round fired. To have a class 3 license, full auto rifle which technically is an assualt weapon, it is few and far between. We need to face the reality that guns are not going to go away and we need to find ways to enforce existing laws. I don't really want to restart this whole pissing contest again either. So I will just leave it at that.

Radar · 06-03-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

yes but all of those things (except Bombs????) were are created for a beneficial purpose - Guns are designed to kill. That is their purpose.
I am not trying to get into this again - I own several guns - all used for trap/skeet shooting & on rare occasions hunting . They are safely kept where there will be no accidents. My children do not have access to them.

I've heard all the arguments, but still have a difficult time with the "need" to make assault weapons, and to some extent hand guns, available to the general public.

Guns were not designed to kill. They were designed to defend and hopefully eliminate the need to kill. But even if they were designed to kill, they were designed to kill for food first and why they were designed is irrelevant. Knives were designed to cut food, but how many people have been killed by them. Should we outlaw knives? More kids are killed playing high school football than die from accidental gun shootings (There really is no such thing as an accidental gun shooting. There is only the irresponsibility of not acting safely), so should we outlaw high school football? or swimming pools? or automobiles? All of these things kill more than guns.

The fact remains that gun ownership is an individual right and no level of government has any authority whatsoever to regulate their ownership anymore than government has the authority to tell you how you must cut your hair.

deadbeater · 06-03-2008, 10:06 PM

So we let guys like Seung-Hui Cho have weapons, right Radar? All the guns from others in school wouldn't help, as he killed his 32 commando style.

And you must have been friends with guys like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. You'd think they did a great job cleaning their guns before they did what they did.

classicman · 06-04-2008, 08:32 AM

Radar - Guns are designed for one purpose only - to kill. There is no discussion nor debate on that, so please don't even try.
Also, I never said that I didn't respect the right to own guns. I even said that
I own SEVERAL myself.

Sheldonrs · 06-04-2008, 08:38 AM

I say let people own as many guns as they want. They can even carry them around out in the open as far as I'm concerned.

However, I think the bullits should be outlawed.

Guns don't kill people; bullits do.

DanaC · 06-04-2008, 12:15 PM

Sheldon that's genius!

TheMercenary · 06-04-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

I say let people own as many guns as they want. They can even carry them around out in the open as far as I'm concerned.

However, I think the bullits should be outlawed.

Guns don't kill people; bullits do.

Gun grabbers have already tried that. It didn't work.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-04-2008, 11:48 PM

And too, if you harbor antigun opinions, you harbor pro-genocide opinions.

As you know, I don't. I think you shouldn't either.

DanaC · 06-05-2008, 06:06 AM

*blinks* in what way do anti-gun opinions equate to pro-genocide opinions?

TheMercenary · 06-05-2008, 09:47 AM

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*blinks* in what way do anti-gun opinions equate to pro-genocide opinions?

Yea, I'm thinking that is a bit of a reach. But I know where you are going with it.

headsplice · 06-05-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, I'm thinking that is a bit of a reach. But I know where you are going with it.

If you're unwilling to defend yourself, that means you're willing to let other people wipe out entire populations?
Shenannigans!

06-03-2008, 10:06 PM	#37
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	So we let guys like Seung-Hui Cho have weapons, right Radar? All the guns from others in school wouldn't help, as he killed his 32 commando style. And you must have been friends with guys like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. You'd think they did a great job cleaning their guns before they did what they did. Last edited by deadbeater; 06-03-2008 at 10:11 PM.

06-04-2008, 08:32 AM	#38
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Radar - Guns are designed for one purpose only - to kill. There is no discussion nor debate on that, so please don't even try. Also, I never said that I didn't respect the right to own guns. I even said that I own SEVERAL myself. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 06-04-2008 at 10:23 AM.

06-04-2008, 08:38 AM	#39
Sheldonrs Master Dwellar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,412	I say let people own as many guns as they want. They can even carry them around out in the open as far as I'm concerned. However, I think the bullits should be outlawed. Guns don't kill people; bullits do. __________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and the world laughs AT you.

06-04-2008, 11:48 PM	#42
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And too, if you harbor antigun opinions, you harbor pro-genocide opinions. As you know, I don't. I think you shouldn't either. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-03-2008, 06:59 AM	#33
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Not really. Takes way more effort and skill to kill with a blade than with a gun. Much easier to kill accidentally with a gun as well.

06-04-2008, 12:15 PM	#40
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Sheldon that's genius!

06-05-2008, 06:06 AM	#43
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	blinks in what way do anti-gun opinions equate to pro-genocide opinions?

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