KKKramer? - Page 2

DanaC · 11-21-2006, 09:22 AM

fish and chips :P

xoxoxoBruce · 11-21-2006, 09:57 PM

Yes, the newspaper will be in the bottom of the birdcage. The the incident will be at Google, forever.

footfootfoot · 11-21-2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Rodriguez

Comic Paul Rodriguez, who was at the club, said he thought Richards' remarks crossed the line.

"Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining," he said. "Freedom of speech has its limitations and I think Michael Richards found those limitations."

Rodriguez, also at the news conference, said: "I kept expecting a punch line. It didn't come."

Yeah, I read that. I wish people would get a fucking clue about freedom of speech. SPEECH ISN'T PROTECTED IN A PRIVATE VENUE. You do not have any freedom of speech in a private venue. NONE. If it is my club then I determine what is acceptable speech. READ THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION AND AND HAVE SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE BIG WORDS TO YOU.

Flint · 11-22-2006, 10:53 AM

Mel "Sugar Tits" Gibson at least said something funny, and he's not even a comedian.

warch · 11-22-2006, 04:52 PM

Richards was like an overwhelmed dog backed into a corner. Even the manic pacing. He didnt have the comic chops. And unfortunately this is the era of the video clip. Cringe. The Hick's riff is a great contrast.

Still. Kramer is funny.

DanaC · 11-22-2006, 04:54 PM

Hicks was funny. I saw him live in Manchester about 18 months before he died. He was awesome.

Flint · 11-22-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch

Kramer is funny.

Right. Kramer is funny. The "dude who played Kramer" however...

richlevy · 11-22-2006, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun_Sparkz

yes he crossed a line but should this really be headlining news?

& is everyone just not hearing that mr roberts was also called a "white boy" as an INSULT as well?

Well, considering the 'royal wedding' coverage of Tom Cruise and Katy Holmes, I guess it fits in somewhere.

lookout123 · 11-27-2006, 08:01 PM

annoying comic actor who can't cut it in standup. big deal. racist/not-racist - who cares???? he's an actor. why do we place any more importance on his words than we would the "good ol' boy" who still refers to black people as "colored"? or Carlos Mencia referring to mexicans as "beaners" and "wetbacks"? or Jay-Z referring to black people as "nigger"? OOOOHhhh, i just got it - he's white so he should be held more accountable for his words.

the words are offensive no matter which mouth they fall out of and everyone should be held to the same standard. no more, no less.

halley · 11-28-2006, 07:08 AM

I understand how Richard felt when he was heckled and it would have been the same if it had been any other race that heckled him. He was hurt, belittled and humiliated and he did what come natural for some people and that is to hurt, belittle and humiliate back and that is what he did.
You do not have to prejudice or a racist to lash out with racial slurs when angered.
I have heard Blacks who in anger hurl racist slurs like the “N” word at each other and it is not about race at all but about hurting the other person.
I have heard Whites, Hispanics and Native American, in anger, hurl racial slurs at their peers. Anger does not bring out real feelings but bring out words designed specifically to hurt, and hurt the most and racial slurs does just that.
A real racist use this language against other races in every day language and not in anger but in hate.
When people are hurt they lash out to hurt, simple as that.
I believe too much has been read into what Richard’s intentions.
Blacks sue the word against other Blacks to belittle because it is a belittling words used against them by whites, etc to belittle.
I have heard Black parents use the word in anger against their children and if any Black parent deny it they are lying.
I am a Native American raised by a Black family in a mostly Black neighborhood and Black kids used it against each other in anger.
It is not a word of endearment among Blacks and the work should never be use by Blacks on Black.

11-21-2006, 09:57 PM	#17
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes, the newspaper will be in the bottom of the birdcage. The the incident will be at Google, forever. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-22-2006, 10:53 AM	#19
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Mel "Sugar Tits" Gibson at least said something funny, and he's not even a comedian. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-27-2006, 08:01 PM	#24
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	annoying comic actor who can't cut it in standup. big deal. racist/not-racist - who cares???? he's an actor. why do we place any more importance on his words than we would the "good ol' boy" who still refers to black people as "colored"? or Carlos Mencia referring to mexicans as "beaners" and "wetbacks"? or Jay-Z referring to black people as "nigger"? OOOOHhhh, i just got it - he's white so he should be held more accountable for his words. the words are offensive no matter which mouth they fall out of and everyone should be held to the same standard. no more, no less. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

11-21-2006, 09:22 AM	#16
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	fish and chips :P

11-22-2006, 04:52 PM	#20
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Richards was like an overwhelmed dog backed into a corner. Even the manic pacing. He didnt have the comic chops. And unfortunately this is the era of the video clip. Cringe. The Hick's riff is a great contrast. Still. Kramer is funny.

11-22-2006, 04:54 PM	#21
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Hicks was funny. I saw him live in Manchester about 18 months before he died. He was awesome.

11-28-2006, 07:08 AM	#25
halley Neophyte-in-training Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3	I understand how Richard felt when he was heckled and it would have been the same if it had been any other race that heckled him. He was hurt, belittled and humiliated and he did what come natural for some people and that is to hurt, belittle and humiliate back and that is what he did. You do not have to prejudice or a racist to lash out with racial slurs when angered. I have heard Blacks who in anger hurl racist slurs like the “N” word at each other and it is not about race at all but about hurting the other person. I have heard Whites, Hispanics and Native American, in anger, hurl racial slurs at their peers. Anger does not bring out real feelings but bring out words designed specifically to hurt, and hurt the most and racial slurs does just that. A real racist use this language against other races in every day language and not in anger but in hate. When people are hurt they lash out to hurt, simple as that. I believe too much has been read into what Richard’s intentions. Blacks sue the word against other Blacks to belittle because it is a belittling words used against them by whites, etc to belittle. I have heard Black parents use the word in anger against their children and if any Black parent deny it they are lying. I am a Native American raised by a Black family in a mostly Black neighborhood and Black kids used it against each other in anger. It is not a word of endearment among Blacks and the work should never be use by Blacks on Black.

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