Arrested for racist remark - Page 2

wolf · 03-22-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Is there any reason to believe that treatment is effective? Any numbers for effectiveness?

no. no.

Edit to add: You know, I've had to come back to ask ... why does this have your panties in a twist? Been to diversity training much? I'm sure there's an MBA behind this.

classicman · 03-22-2010, 09:53 AM

nah - its those damn humans wolfie

tw · 03-22-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

You know, I've had to come back to ask ... why does this have your panties in a twist? Been to diversity training much?

Never saw diversity training. Always wondered if done for a 'we don't know that else to do' theory possibly behind hours of 'community service'. Was given people serving out their time in community service. Never understood it to be reform. In at least one case, the guy did everything he could to put in time and do no work. Always wondered if there is any basis (from published studies) behind 'community service', driver retraining, or this example: diversity training.

skysidhe · 03-22-2010, 08:42 PM

It's the theory of helping a person gain confidence. It benefits the community and it benefits the person serving. It's a way to give back and make amends. I don't see it as a harsh punishment at all.

It's probably one of the better ways our society deals with people when they break the law.

elSicomoro · 03-22-2010, 10:08 PM

When I worked for a department store in the 90s, all you had to do was hit 6 on a store phone to access the intercom. Sounds like this kid may have been trying to figure out how to do it, saw someone access it and voila!

tw · 03-23-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

It's the theory of helping a person gain confidence. It benefits the community and it benefits the person serving. It's a way to give back and make amends. I don't see it as a harsh punishment at all.

But again, is that any research suggesting that it works or how effective? Does that kid get diversity training because it might work on speculation? Or because there are well based reasons for doing it? Is that anything that says restoring confidence actually addresses an underlying problem? Or do we do it only because that is how it was always done?

classicman · 03-24-2010, 01:19 PM

We do it because it makes us feel good. Odds are it is probably no more effective than any punitive punishment.

skysidhe · 03-24-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

But again, is that any research suggesting that it works or how effective? Does that kid get diversity training because it might work on speculation? Or because there are well based reasons for doing it? Is that anything that says restoring confidence actually addresses an underlying problem? Or do we do it only because that is how it was always done?

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Originally Posted by classicman

We do it because it makes us feel good. Odds are it is probably no more effective than any punitive punishment.

If you are talking about diversity training classic then yes I agree and TW you can count his answer the same as mine.

When I said building confidence I meant it in relation to community service.

ZenGum · 03-25-2010, 08:23 AM

It's cheaper than prison, and messes them up less.

There are numbers on how effective prison is at reforming bad guys. They are not good.

glatt · 03-25-2010, 08:37 AM

The only purpose prison serves is to protect society by keeping the criminals away from the law abiding populace. It may also have some slight deterrent effect, but that's very debatable. It does nothing to reform anyone.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-25-2010, 08:45 AM

It has a slight deterrent in some cultures, unfortunately not the ones most of the criminal spew from. Diversity training is a joke.

Pico and ME · 03-25-2010, 11:35 AM

I think it (community service) works very well as a first warning. Well, very well for most law-abiding citizens.

Shawnee123 · 03-25-2010, 11:39 AM

Remember "Scared Straight"? That didn't work either. Of course, this is different, it's more like Cajoled into Not Being Racist...but you won't change deeply ingrained behaviors and thoughts by having them look at pictures of black people in socially acceptable settings.

glatt · 03-25-2010, 12:07 PM

Friends of ours live in a neighborhood that loves to have block parties. They live one block over from a very busy intersection, and lots of cars cut through their neighborhood to avoid that light. So they love blocking off the street and having a party.

Well, it turns out getting a permit from the county to block off the street for a party costs something like $75. But the fine for obstructing traffic is something like $25. So they bought their own orange cones, and just block off the street whenever the mood strikes them and they throw a party.

No deterrent there.

Shawnee123 · 03-25-2010, 12:40 PM

Um, so, the cones...they're diverse?

Just messin' with you glatt. But I don't get the connection.

03-22-2010, 09:53 AM	#17
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	nah - its those damn humans wolfie __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-24-2010, 01:19 PM	#22
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	We do it because it makes us feel good. Odds are it is probably no more effective than any punitive punishment. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-25-2010, 08:23 AM	#24
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	It's cheaper than prison, and messes them up less. There are numbers on how effective prison is at reforming bad guys. They are not good. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-25-2010, 08:45 AM	#26
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It has a slight deterrent in some cultures, unfortunately not the ones most of the criminal spew from. Diversity training is a joke. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-25-2010, 11:39 AM	#28
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Remember "Scared Straight"? That didn't work either. Of course, this is different, it's more like Cajoled into Not Being Racist...but you won't change deeply ingrained behaviors and thoughts by having them look at pictures of black people in socially acceptable settings. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-22-2010, 08:42 PM	#19
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	It's the theory of helping a person gain confidence. It benefits the community and it benefits the person serving. It's a way to give back and make amends. I don't see it as a harsh punishment at all. It's probably one of the better ways our society deals with people when they break the law.

03-22-2010, 10:08 PM	#20
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	When I worked for a department store in the 90s, all you had to do was hit 6 on a store phone to access the intercom. Sounds like this kid may have been trying to figure out how to do it, saw someone access it and voila!

03-25-2010, 08:37 AM	#25
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	The only purpose prison serves is to protect society by keeping the criminals away from the law abiding populace. It may also have some slight deterrent effect, but that's very debatable. It does nothing to reform anyone.

03-25-2010, 11:35 AM	#27
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	I think it (community service) works very well as a first warning. Well, very well for most law-abiding citizens.

03-25-2010, 12:07 PM	#29
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Friends of ours live in a neighborhood that loves to have block parties. They live one block over from a very busy intersection, and lots of cars cut through their neighborhood to avoid that light. So they love blocking off the street and having a party. Well, it turns out getting a permit from the county to block off the street for a party costs something like $75. But the fine for obstructing traffic is something like $25. So they bought their own orange cones, and just block off the street whenever the mood strikes them and they throw a party. No deterrent there.

03-25-2010, 12:40 PM	#30
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Um, so, the cones...they're diverse? Just messin' with you glatt. But I don't get the connection. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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