John Titor

jaguar · 06-18-2004, 01:14 PM

Anyone else familiar with this?
This short version is a man called John Titor appeared in a number of forums in november 2000 claiming to be a time traveller from 2036, preceeded to engage all comers, give details of a time travel device that is in line with current scientific research. He also said there would be the roots of a civil war in the US in 2004/5, open clinflict by 2008 and nuclear war in 2015.

Yea, sounds like I've been hitting the berocca pretty hard I know but he had no agenda to speak of, wasen't trying to sell anything and everything he said so far has come true. It's not waffly predictions, it's full of hard facts and what can be checked out. If he was a fraud he was a damn smart one with a real dedication. Prohpet, time traveller or fraud I believe given the evidence it's worth keeping an open mind. As you read though there is something strangely haunting about the whole thing, as a fraud it would be masterful on all levels. I don't know what I think, but I thought it was worth discussion.

Think of it this way, imagine what would happen if this election was more of a disaster than the last?

Here

There is also a very good meta-discussion here

YellowBolt · 06-18-2004, 04:51 PM

http://www.johntitor.com as well. Obviously.

Clodfobble · 06-18-2004, 05:50 PM

Never heard of the story before. Interesting stuff. Like the author of the site says, it's the easiest thing in the world to test him, just wait a few more months and see if his predictions come true.

But wouldn't it be really funny if the guy were just a staunch Democrat, angry about the outcome of the election in 2000 and making these dire predictions of chaos and suffering--unless, of course, we "change our future" and vote against Bush in November? I mean for Christ's sake, he said his family's from Florida.

Torrere · 06-21-2004, 02:36 AM

I wonder why he advised people of ways to change the future by working to prevent the United States from becoming a police state, but decided not to mention September 11th?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2004, 04:33 AM

I would Wolf has met several John Titor types.

Titors posts were written before 9-11, the Columbia accident and the second Gulf War.

jaguar · 06-21-2004, 06:16 AM

But the sure to foreshadow the era of the patriot act well don't they.
Put it this way, i'm not died in the wool beleiver but I find it interesting from multiple perspectives and at worst, a very, very clever hoax.

Griff · 06-21-2004, 08:01 AM

Maybe I didn't read enough of it, but I'm assuming they're pimping a movie. Hype the story online, Make sure it's copyrighted so nobody rips you off...

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

But the sure to foreshadow the era of the patriot act well don't they.

So did Orwell's 1984.

russotto · 06-21-2004, 09:12 AM

If he appeared in 2000 and managed not to mention 9/11, he's a nut or a fraud.

It's interesting that he claims to have come from the year before the end of the Unix epoch.

YellowBolt · 06-21-2004, 01:53 PM

But mentioning 9/11 would have invariably altered the future. And since 9/11 DID indeed happen, he couldn't have mentioned it anyways. Or something like that. Time travel laws are weird.

Clodfobble · 06-21-2004, 02:19 PM

Not according to him. According to him, there are infinite world lines, which means it wouldn't matter to HIS world if he mentioned 9/11 to us or not, we would be off in a different future than he was anyway. It's very important that your story always has a way out like that if you're going to be a successful conman.

Plus, he could claim that he was only 3 when it happened, so it didn't seem to be as important of an event.

Undertoad · 06-21-2004, 02:20 PM

If I came back from the future, I'd have a plan. I wouldn't just post messages on Usenet. I'd take the information I have from the future. Every morning I'd buy every stock listed that gained 20% on the day. With the money from the previous day, I bet every trifecta listed in the horsey results tables. After the first month, I have enough money to fund my campaign, better than any dumb message on a website. I also have the religious belief of everyone who I wanted to help me in the operation. "Hey kid, if Thome hits a homer in the 5th, you'll know I know what I'm talking about."

Clodfobble · 06-21-2004, 02:27 PM

[Titor] After the nuclear war, stock prices and horse race winners from 36 years ago weren't readily available. Also, I couldn't predict things like Thome's batting because this past is slightly different than my own, about 2% in fact. How did I calculate that? Uh, move along please, move along... [/Titor]

xoxoxoBruce · 06-21-2004, 03:55 PM

He could have told us when some smart chick scooped up UT.

lumberjim · 06-21-2004, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clodfobble
Not according to him. According to him, there are infinite world lines, which means it wouldn't matter to HIS world if he mentioned 9/11 to us or not, we would be off in a different future than he was anyway. It's very important that your story always has a way out like that if you're going to be a successful conman.

Plus, he could claim that he was only 3 when it happened, so it didn't seem to be as important of an event.

if he lived (will live) in a differnet world line, then maybe 9/11 never happened in HIS world. And maybe all of the rest of the stuff he's warning us about won't happen either. kind of undermines his whole argument in a way. maybe THIS world line will be 'discovered' by benevolent toadlike aliens, and we'll all live happily ever after ( as long as we dont' break the 4 rules

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06-18-2004, 01:14 PM	#1
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	John Titor Anyone else familiar with this? This short version is a man called John Titor appeared in a number of forums in november 2000 claiming to be a time traveller from 2036, preceeded to engage all comers, give details of a time travel device that is in line with current scientific research. He also said there would be the roots of a civil war in the US in 2004/5, open clinflict by 2008 and nuclear war in 2015. Yea, sounds like I've been hitting the berocca pretty hard I know but he had no agenda to speak of, wasen't trying to sell anything and everything he said so far has come true. It's not waffly predictions, it's full of hard facts and what can be checked out. If he was a fraud he was a damn smart one with a real dedication. Prohpet, time traveller or fraud I believe given the evidence it's worth keeping an open mind. As you read though there is something strangely haunting about the whole thing, as a fraud it would be masterful on all levels. I don't know what I think, but I thought it was worth discussion. Think of it this way, imagine what would happen if this election was more of a disaster than the last? Here There is also a very good meta-discussion here __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain Last edited by jaguar; 06-18-2004 at 01:19 PM.

06-21-2004, 04:33 AM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I would Wolf has met several John Titor types. Titors posts were written before 9-11, the Columbia accident and the second Gulf War. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 06-21-2004 at 04:36 AM.

06-21-2004, 06:16 AM	#6
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	But the sure to foreshadow the era of the patriot act well don't they. Put it this way, i'm not died in the wool beleiver but I find it interesting from multiple perspectives and at worst, a very, very clever hoax. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-21-2004, 08:01 AM	#7
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Maybe I didn't read enough of it, but I'm assuming they're pimping a movie. Hype the story online, Make sure it's copyrighted so nobody rips you off... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-21-2004, 03:55 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	He could have told us when some smart chick scooped up UT. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-18-2004, 04:51 PM	#2
YellowBolt I lurk with the best of them Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: not close to philadelphia. :( well, not THAT close. Posts: 146	http://www.johntitor.com as well. Obviously.

06-18-2004, 05:50 PM	#3
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Never heard of the story before. Interesting stuff. Like the author of the site says, it's the easiest thing in the world to test him, just wait a few more months and see if his predictions come true. But wouldn't it be really funny if the guy were just a staunch Democrat, angry about the outcome of the election in 2000 and making these dire predictions of chaos and suffering--unless, of course, we "change our future" and vote against Bush in November? I mean for Christ's sake, he said his family's from Florida.

06-21-2004, 02:36 AM	#4
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	I wonder why he advised people of ways to change the future by working to prevent the United States from becoming a police state, but decided not to mention September 11th?

06-21-2004, 09:12 AM	#9
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	If he appeared in 2000 and managed not to mention 9/11, he's a nut or a fraud. It's interesting that he claims to have come from the year before the end of the Unix epoch.

06-21-2004, 01:53 PM	#10
YellowBolt I lurk with the best of them Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: not close to philadelphia. :( well, not THAT close. Posts: 146	But mentioning 9/11 would have invariably altered the future. And since 9/11 DID indeed happen, he couldn't have mentioned it anyways. Or something like that. Time travel laws are weird.

06-21-2004, 02:19 PM	#11
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Not according to him. According to him, there are infinite world lines, which means it wouldn't matter to HIS world if he mentioned 9/11 to us or not, we would be off in a different future than he was anyway. It's very important that your story always has a way out like that if you're going to be a successful conman. Plus, he could claim that he was only 3 when it happened, so it didn't seem to be as important of an event.

06-21-2004, 02:20 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If I came back from the future, I'd have a plan. I wouldn't just post messages on Usenet. I'd take the information I have from the future. Every morning I'd buy every stock listed that gained 20% on the day. With the money from the previous day, I bet every trifecta listed in the horsey results tables. After the first month, I have enough money to fund my campaign, better than any dumb message on a website. I also have the religious belief of everyone who I wanted to help me in the operation. "Hey kid, if Thome hits a homer in the 5th, you'll know I know what I'm talking about."

06-21-2004, 02:27 PM	#13
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	[Titor] After the nuclear war, stock prices and horse race winners from 36 years ago weren't readily available. Also, I couldn't predict things like Thome's batting because this past is slightly different than my own, about 2% in fact. How did I calculate that? Uh, move along please, move along... [/Titor]

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