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Old 08-01-2020, 01:03 PM   #61
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hmmm... He'll have to explain himself.
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Old 08-01-2020, 03:34 PM   #62
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Why is this vaccine's protection going to expire?
Vaccines have limits. Polio vaccine lasted a lifetime. Effectiveness for Vaccines such as whooping cough, measles, and mumps degrade significantly in adults. Tetanus is typically only good for some years. Flu vaccines are good only for months.

We do not know (yet) the life expectancy of a Covid-19 vaccine. But to end a pandemic, we must assume its life expectancy can be as little as 3 months - just like some other flu vaccinations. And must make strategic plans for it accordingly and now.

For the same reason, in the military or in commercial businesses, a strategic objective is clearly defined long before the first battle or product release.

I am confused why this was not obvious months ago. Science has been saying this for a long time. Yes, many vaccines diminish for the vaccinated people over time.

The Don, like any good mafioso, will do anything to subvert knowledge. To say anything so that he need not work for the people. Apparently what science has been saying is no common knowledge?

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Old 08-02-2020, 04:16 PM   #63
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Well that sucks, but considering some people have gotten sick twice I suppose it's to be expected that immunity is illusive.
Even with sufficient vaccine they'd play hell trying to vaccinate the whole world in three months.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:26 AM   #64
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If you think getting these dipshits to wear a mask is too political just wait until you offer them a vaccine.
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:15 PM   #65
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Vaccines have limits. Polio vaccine lasted a lifetime. ...
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If you think getting these dipshits to wear a mask is too political just wait until you offer them a vaccine.
The Polio vaccine was a great success... but not for everybody.

The following quote is from the article A Coronavirus vaccine won’t change the world right away which gives additional reasons why people won't be in a hurry to get the vaccine.

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... On April 12, 1955, a vaccine against polio was shown effective and safe. Its inventor, Jonas Salk, became a national hero. Church bells rang and people ran into the streets to hug one another, said Howard Markel, a medical historian at the University of Michigan.

But there were bumps along the way, even as scientists and public health authorities sought to thwart a disease that was of greatest threat to children. The “Cutter incident” became an infamous moment in medicine, when one of the suppliers of the vaccine failed to fully inactivate the virus in the shot, infecting about 40,000 children, paralyzing 51 and killing five. Those infections seeded their own epidemic, paralyzing 113 others and killing an additional five people.

“What’s incredible is it was only a blip. Parents were so trustworthy of doctors and scientists, and it went on, people got their shots,” Markel said.

The Salk vaccination was a transformative moment, but it was also not the end of polio. Over the course of two years, cases in the United States dropped by 80 percent, but outbreaks continued for several years, even as the vaccine was rolled out. Six years later, an oral polio vaccine that could be given as a sugar cube that dissolved on children’s tongues was introduced. Polio was eliminated in the United States in 1979.
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Old 08-19-2020, 12:02 PM   #66
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I like 'heretic' better but that carries (to me) a sense of active rebellion, and I just ain't the time, energy, or interest for that.

Non serviam, as declaration, works, but isn't easy to label.

Indifferent (with a clinched fist)?

*shrug*
Perhaps that fist is not wholly clenched. I dunno either.
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Old 08-25-2020, 06:59 AM   #67
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AP Fact check for yesterday's nonsense.

https://apnews.com/7c6c47ba0bef4fb26ca667e4ea15e131

HEALTH CARE

TRUMP: “We protected your preexisting conditions. Very strongly protected preexisting ... and you don’t hear that.”

THE FACTS: You don’t hear it because it’s not true.

People with preexisting medical problems have health insurance protections because of Obama’s health care law, which Trump is trying to dismantle.

One of Trump’s alternatives to Obama’s law — short-term health insurance, already in place — doesn’t have to cover preexisting conditions. Another alternative is association health plans, which are oriented to small businesses and sole proprietors and do cover preexisting conditions.

Neither of the two alternatives appears to have made much difference in the market.

Meanwhile, Trump’s administration is pressing the Supreme Court for full repeal of the Obama-era law, including provisions that protect people with preexisting conditions from health insurance discrimination.

With “Obamacare” still in place, preexisting conditions continue to be covered by regular individual health insurance plans.

Insurers must take all applicants, regardless of medical history, and charge the same standard premiums to healthy people and those who are in poor health, or have a history of medical problems.

Before the Affordable Care Act, any insurer could deny coverage — or charge more — to anyone with a preexisting condition who was seeking to buy an individual policy.

Democratic attacks on Republican efforts to repeal the health law and weaken preexisting condition protections proved successful in the 2018 midterms, when Democrats won back control of the House.
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