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07-26-2006, 06:50 PM | #76 |
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I'm declining a trip to la-la land.
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07-26-2006, 11:00 PM | #77 |
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The link between truth and scientific fact is stronger than personal belief, mostly because belief is inseparable from personal experiences and science strives to be completely isolated from the person doing the experament. We have seen bad science frequently these days (both sides of the global warming debate need to step away from the politics verrrrrryyyyy slowly) and it's giving it a very wishy-washy appearence. This is not real science. The express reason for requiring that all experaments be recreatable is to eliminate personal bias and error, and ensure that the data holds true for the defined set of circumstances. Behaviors are truths, matter will always exert a force on other matter, light will always propogate in a predictable fashion as long as you know the properties of the surrounding space. The only things that changes based on perception are people. It's not your surroundings that change, it's you.
The most basic reason I don't like the word truth used like that is that it takes all meaning away from the word. It's like saying "I'll love you forever", you won't be here forever but using a strong word puts emphasis on the intention. What we experience are not individual truths, just perceptions that are so important to us that we call them truths to emphasize how strongly we adhear to them. p.s. quantum mechanics does not apply as long as you have more mass than an electron. don't go there. please
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07-27-2006, 01:16 PM | #78 | |
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A good test here. What you think is true turns out to be not true at all. http://www.icerix.com/icerix.php?adr...nge/senses.swf |
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Hello again 9th engineer.
I read your post several times in order to, hopefully, understand everything you’ve presented. I feel it contains very insightful and sincere concepts. I respectfully add my reflections as follows: Scientific truth is higher than personal belief truth’s Quote:
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A lengthy article, but good information about intentions changing our very DNA structure, and a measurable field of energy emanating from our hearts that has effects on people/substances nearby. Could not these energies effect every Science experiment ever observed or performed near a human ? Hard to get through, but basically we’re seeing light photons becoming ordered by the mere presence of human DNA. (this doesn’t appear to be a predictable fashion does it ?) Look at just how complex the structure is to get all this information to our brains. Can it be that hard to believe our intentions can make the minute chemical and electric pulses needed to drastically alter what we perceive around us ? Quote:
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07-28-2006, 09:08 PM | #81 | |
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I don't consider Nihilism a correct description of my belief system. I see great meaning beyond all things, I do believe there is purpose and a comprehensible truth. I just don't think those things are within physical form. I believe in God. I believe all living/conscious beings are much more than their physical form and for some reason we have all decided to share this illusion we appear to work, play , and die within.
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07-30-2006, 02:18 AM | #82 | |
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what is la la land? What are you against here? 'cause I don't see it. |
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08-01-2006, 02:53 PM | #83 |
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glatt and stormieweather gave perfectly good examples of what I was describing. Having seen how BlueSky_The Man analyzed them, changed the parameters and went off tangentially, I can see how he thinks....or doesn't.
I think it's flawed logic. Occam is spinning in his grave. I will never agree with that approach to any question. I think it would be fruitless to even enter into a discussion of it. If anyone, buys his reasoning....fine, have at it. I don't and prefer not to waste my time.
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08-01-2006, 03:24 PM | #84 |
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Bruce,
I respect your decision to discontinue this thread, and thank you for the interaction that we did share. I think it's important to note that when describing another's viewpoint using words such as "la-la land","flawed","fruitless",and "waste of time" you are diminishing yourself. You can only successfully insult another if you truly believe insults are painful and detrimental to YOUR OWN SELF. Every time you enforce this by insulting another you are only adding to the pain your carrying around already. I would not wish for you to carry around more pain because of a simple philosophical conversation. Sincerely, BlueSky
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I feel funny talking about another poster but since you addressed my question by referring glatt and stormie about bluesky I should say what I see. I'm looking and I only see postitive. Blue Sky is affirming their beliefs and thoughts by positive affirmations. In the discussion between stormy and bluesky there was a lot of give and take. Even with Glatt I saw bluesky not try to tear down but build up their own beliefs before presenting his own. Somehow I think that's cool. Here is bluesky affirming their beliefs. Quote:
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Bluesky picked out this part of stormies comments to quote and then replied with a beautiful. Quote:
As far as buying his reasoning?? How about just reading it and picking out the best parts?? Isn't that what we do in a discussion is pick out those ones we like or don't like.I think if you arn't going to like something you should give your own examples. I picked out the affirmation of others comments and I forgot the rest because typed words on a message board don't equal major thought process changes do they? You picked out the negative aspects and forgot the rest. We are only bantering ideas back and forth and I actually miss hearing a reasoning argument from you bruce. Lastly, You might be surprised with whom I actually do agree with regardless of what little part of me I type out because untimatly it isn't the whole truth is it? Anyway who I agree with is 9th Engineer and his thought was this. Quote:
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08-02-2006, 11:36 PM | #86 | |
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Is that what you do with an instruction manual? I told you, if you want to play that game, have at it. I'm not interested in disconnected thoughts that have no logical progression, no matter how genteel the presentation. Positive bullshit, is still bullshit.
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08-02-2006, 11:50 PM | #87 | |
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um yes, sort of.....but you gave me the chuckle of my week thanks. |
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