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Old 02-05-2007, 01:34 PM   #1
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Yeah, that post, earlier, made me laugh.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:01 PM   #2
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Fear of a tool that is not being pointed at you is irrational... a car or pneumatic nail-gun is equally as dangerous as a gun (many of tools & poisons I have worked with are more dangerous than my guns), I don't see people freaking-out about them.
Irrational fear.
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Old 02-05-2007, 07:48 PM   #3
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Fear of a tool that is not being pointed at you is irrational... a car or pneumatic nail-gun is equally as dangerous as a gun (many of tools & poisons I have worked with are more dangerous than my guns), I don't see people freaking-out about them.
Irrational fear.

Anyone who isn't wary around nail guns should probably rethink their position. Those things can be very dangerous...by accident even.
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Old 02-05-2007, 07:50 PM   #4
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Anyone who isn't wary around nail guns should probably rethink their position. Those things can be very dangerous...by accident even.
There are habits of behavior that should be followed around guns, be the nail guns or otherwise. The same is true of aircraft on the ground, be they jets or propeller.

The dangerous area around a gun is the direction it would discharge if fired--"where it's pointed", which is why one is at pains to keep all guns pointed in a safe direction. With a jet you need to stay out of the intake area at the front and the exhaust. The arc of an aircraft propeller should be avoided, even if the engine is not operating.
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Old 02-06-2007, 08:40 AM   #5
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Anyone who isn't wary around nail guns should probably rethink their position. Those things can be very dangerous...by accident even.
I agree, and that is my point... you don't see people organizing around the idea of "banning" them because they are "dangerous" all on their own. No tool is.

As far as the civilized thing goes, there is not one civilized nation on this planet without gun ownership of some kind.
This Civilized nation was founded on the ideal of individuality, not the socialist cooperative.
For those who are Americans, it is the most Civilized concept.
This is why an individual's right is always more important than the comfort of the masses, all of our Amendments are there to ensure that that ideal is protected in EVERY way.
As I have stated before, it takes a special person to be free... you have to put up with your neighbor's freedom and you may not like what he says and does any more than he may like what you say and do. Freedom means tolerance, if you don't have it, you need to find a place where they don't require it.
This is not a "love it or leave it" statement. I have no issue with change in the law... but basic concepts in what a nation stands-for, no. Particularly, what I think are good, very good, ideas.
Free speech can be pesky too, let's get rid of that also...
If we outlaw guns it will have no effect on criminal gun ownership... it is just feel-good politics to divert attention from real problems that politicians could actually help with, but are unwilling to because of their controversy or cost. Some of you have just bought into it.

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I keep stating this... if you don't like guns, don't buy one. Nothing keeps one from this inaction.
In fact if you don't own a gun, congratulations!!!!

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Old 02-05-2007, 02:34 PM   #6
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Is anyone here afraid of Russian nukes? Afraid of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda? Afraid of North Korea getting nukes? If you are, why? If you're not, why not?
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:11 PM   #7
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Is anyone here afraid of Russian nukes? Afraid of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda? Afraid of North Korea getting nukes?
Do you really believe passing a law forbidding any of those would make any significant difference? None of the groups you cite seem to be shy about violating US law. And the same is true of domestic criminals.
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:38 PM   #8
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Do you really believe passing a law forbidding any of those would make any significant difference? None of the groups you cite seem to be shy about violating US law. And the same is true of domestic criminals.
Nice feint. The question was: are you afraid of those things. Are you?
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Old 02-05-2007, 07:58 PM   #9
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Nice feint. The question was: are you afraid of those things. Are you?
I'm not afraid of things. It's people that worry me. Including people who wish to disarm me, while claiming they are "civilized".

Now I've answered your question, it's your turn.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:36 PM   #10
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Criminals can't buy guns at Wally World.
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How about future criminals?
When did we start punishing them?

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Is anyone here afraid of Russian nukes? Afraid of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda? Afraid of North Korea getting nukes? If you are, why? If you're not, why not?
OT... You may want to start a new thread, IMO.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:45 PM   #11
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Fear of a tool that is not being pointed at you is irrational... a car or pneumatic nail-gun is equally as dangerous as a gun (many of tools & poisons I have worked with are more dangerous than my guns), I don't see people freaking-out about them.
Irrational fear.
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Is anyone here afraid of Russian nukes? Afraid of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda? Afraid of North Korea getting nukes? If you are, why? If you're not, why not?
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..0OT... You may want to start a new thread, IMO.
Answer the question. If I shouldn't be afraid of a gun anymore than I'm afraid of pnumatic nail gun that is not pointing at me, then you shouldn't be afraid of Russian, North Korean, or Al Qaeda-ian nukes, right? Same logic.

So... are you afraid?
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:41 PM   #12
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There is no call to be insulting. I will no longer converse with you on this.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:46 PM   #13
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There is no call to be insulting. I will no longer converse with you on this.
Pu-leeeeeze!
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:57 PM   #14
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There is no call to be insulting. I will no longer converse with you on this.
Good point, rkz...now tell your cohort:

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Your failure to think isn't a good reason to spread misinformation
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Let's see, how does this work? Oh yeah, put people on the defensive, then when they get defensive point out they are defensive because they are scared and/or stupid.

But, I guess it's OK for you guys to do it.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:02 PM   #15
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I take no responsibility for anyone else's posts.
I am neither scared or stupid. I have stated my past with weapons, the ranch, how I have used them my whole life; as well as my political beliefs with them.
I am very moderate, IMO.
If one does not like guns, don't buy one or get into a relationship with a gun owner... simple.
If it is that big a deal... move to a nation not built on the principle of the second amendment. Again, simple.
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