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freshnesschronic · 08-06-2007, 04:11 PM

Flint you are the master of rationalization. If you honestly don't feel like she was acting racist then you have are trying everything you can to discredit me or you are the epitome of ignorance.

TheMercenary · 08-06-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Flint you are the master of rationalization. If you honestly don't feel like she was acting racist then you have are trying everything you can to discredit me or you are the epitome of ignorance.

So is this about White Privilege or racism?

StereoMike · 08-06-2007, 05:48 PM

This "white people have privileges" issue leads to nothing.
If a guy in Tibet would never know of internet and western culture he would never think he has less privileges.
Missionaries carried christendom into the jungle (they might even have thought it would help). Think about it and ask yourself if it makes sense to normalize all cultural values and traditions to bring all to a "white" niveau.
Sure there's apartheid and racism on a grand scale on this planet. But I think the privileges you have should be seen in cultural context.
In some parts of the world you're king of your village with two cows. Here you need a Villa and several German cars.

regarding the initial topic: I really don't get your point: people in china do eat dogs.
Yes I say this in general, I could also say : People in America do drive cars. Despite the fact that kids, most elderly and some other guys don't drive cars.
But I can also say Italians don't eat dogs. There _are_ cultural differences. And some of them are funny. For me and for you. If you're a native chinese, then all this touching, hugging and hand shaking of those long nosed western people is strange to you.

As a kid I learned the importance of being able to laugh about oneself.
Life's much easier with this ability, Freshnesschronic.

mike

TheMercenary · 08-06-2007, 05:52 PM

Back to the dog. I think we need to get her one of these:

freshnesschronic · 08-06-2007, 06:29 PM

Thanks, DanaC for not completely trying to dishevel me.
I hope you've gotten something out of the article I posted and the story I posted, even if you don't agree completely or understand completely, respecting where I come from with my ideas is the most important thing to me.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-06-2007, 06:56 PM

Understand completely? How condescending.
Look, we all know most everyone has prejudices, but when you play the racism card you are making a mass accusation. You'll get your ass handed to you for that.

No tolerance for people that practice racism or people that cry racism.

freshnesschronic · 08-06-2007, 07:00 PM

Completely understand my experiences and my world view, that's all. That's why I said

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respecting where I come from with my ideas is the most important thing to me.

And Bruce, if MLK didn't cry racism....where would we be.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-06-2007, 07:28 PM

The question is, do you understand your experiences? An old lady speaks to you and you just stare at her. When she makes the assumtion you can't understand her because you didn't respond, you claim racism. Hmmm.

I remember MLK, I've seen MLK... freshnesschronic, you're no MLK.

freshnesschronic · 08-06-2007, 07:31 PM

And you understand my experiences better than me? I'm disgusted how much people want to disprove anything I say and will rationalize anything that can be used against me. To think her assumption of me not being able to speak English isn't racist is just absurd. I live in America. Why shouldn't she think I speak English? Because I look different from her, a white person? Therefore I don't speak English, that's her assumption right? That assumption isn't racist? Why else would she think I don't speak English, I'm not wearing a t-shirt that says "I don't speak English." The official language of the United States is English, for her to assume I cannot understand because I hesitated in a response is ridiculous. In the last week I have experienced two more encounters of racism. I was profiled in the airport in Tri Cities, TN and was patted down and the whole sha bang a bang. Why? You take a guess. Today me and my friends were playing basketball at the local college. We were all minorities. Some old white guy in a golf cart approaches us and tells us the gym is closed. Yet there was a white guy on the other side of the court shooting by himself. We say "what about him?" The old guy says "he's with me." They never look at each other, I assumed they didn't even know each other. "He's with me?" Sounds a little shady, but with everyone here I bet all these situations of racism can be rationalized right? Jesus why can't anyone see things for what they really are instead of trying skirt the real issue.

Who said I was comparable to MLK, not I! You said you don't tolerate people who cry racism. MLK qualifies as one of those people. Didn't he cry racism? Bah, I have to go to work.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-06-2007, 07:43 PM

And it never occurred to you she thought you couldn't speak English because you didn't answer her, just stood there staring at her? There is a fuck of a lot of people in this country that don't speak English, you know.

MLK didn't cry racism, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson cry racism.

Clodfobble · 08-06-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

In the last week I have experienced two more encounters of racism. I was profiled in the airport in Tri Cities, TN and was patted down and the whole sha bang a bang. Why? You take a guess.

What, are you Arabic now? Guess what dude, I'm a white woman carrying a baby, and I've been patted down and the whole "sha bang a bang" too, multiple times. My baby got patted down, no kidding. Hell, I've been taken into a separate room and had my luggage opened and gone through piece by piece. Oh my God those guys were so totally racist!!

08-06-2007, 10:08 PM

White privilege, what a joke. I did not get a scholarship I was the most qualified for at Yale (yeah, someone there told me, she was pissed about it), wanna' know why, because I was white.
You might want to check out the percentages of Asians in Ivy League colleges before shooting your pie hole off about "White Privilege".
You also might want to check out the average Asian's yearly income, then yak some.
In fact, look at ANY of the numbers then open your mouth... but, then you might not.
I also had to wait for two people to get a promotion before me that were less educated, had less experience and were less qualified for the position and my boss told me that it was because of their race/sex.
Guess what, people did not respect them and it harms their race... they walked past their office to my cube to get things done right, a shining example of "White Privilege" that... they get the salary and management makes me do the work, Yay whitey!
Asians eat dogs, the French and some Germans eat horses... so what?
It is not prejudice, fact...sure not all but those are the one's who do it.
Not a race issue, it is a cultural issue.
I have no issue with it, if I went to a restaurant an someone told me the dog was the best thing on the menu I would eat it.
It is true, there IS NO difference between a dog and a pig or cow, both make good pets and are both, probably, equally delicious.
People gotta' separate their emotions from their intellect, that includes you and this fucked-up imaginary race thing you have going on.
BTW, Asians, as a minority deserve everything they get, culturally on-average, education is very important and they make sacrifices that most families could not IMAGINE in their wildest dreams to get their kids ahead and the kids do the same to deserve it... that is not racism... it is a cultural norm.

freshnesschronic · 08-07-2007, 12:24 AM

Valid points rk. You weren't persuaded by the article. So be it. It's all good. I still respect you very much. This thread is getting tiresome like Shawnee said, time to kill it.

08-07-2007, 12:56 AM

No, I was not... the article and website were jokes.

freshnesschronic · 08-07-2007, 01:08 AM

Again, sorry.

08-06-2007, 05:52 PM	#4
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Back to the dog. I think we need to get her one of these: __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-06-2007, 06:56 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Understand completely? How condescending. Look, we all know most everyone has prejudices, but when you play the racism card you are making a mass accusation. You'll get your ass handed to you for that. No tolerance for people that practice racism or people that cry racism. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-06-2007, 07:28 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The question is, do you understand your experiences? An old lady speaks to you and you just stare at her. When she makes the assumtion you can't understand her because you didn't respond, you claim racism. Hmmm. I remember MLK, I've seen MLK... freshnesschronic, you're no MLK. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-06-2007, 07:31 PM	#9
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	And you understand my experiences better than me? I'm disgusted how much people want to disprove anything I say and will rationalize anything that can be used against me. To think her assumption of me not being able to speak English isn't racist is just absurd. I live in America. Why shouldn't she think I speak English? Because I look different from her, a white person? Therefore I don't speak English, that's her assumption right? That assumption isn't racist? Why else would she think I don't speak English, I'm not wearing a t-shirt that says "I don't speak English." The official language of the United States is English, for her to assume I cannot understand because I hesitated in a response is ridiculous. In the last week I have experienced two more encounters of racism. I was profiled in the airport in Tri Cities, TN and was patted down and the whole sha bang a bang. Why? You take a guess. Today me and my friends were playing basketball at the local college. We were all minorities. Some old white guy in a golf cart approaches us and tells us the gym is closed. Yet there was a white guy on the other side of the court shooting by himself. We say "what about him?" The old guy says "he's with me." They never look at each other, I assumed they didn't even know each other. "He's with me?" Sounds a little shady, but with everyone here I bet all these situations of racism can be rationalized right? Jesus why can't anyone see things for what they really are instead of trying skirt the real issue. Who said I was comparable to MLK, not I! You said you don't tolerate people who cry racism. MLK qualifies as one of those people. Didn't he cry racism? Bah, I have to go to work. Last edited by freshnesschronic; 08-06-2007 at 07:40 PM.

08-06-2007, 07:43 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And it never occurred to you she thought you couldn't speak English because you didn't answer her, just stood there staring at her? There is a fuck of a lot of people in this country that don't speak English, you know. MLK didn't cry racism, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson cry racism. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-06-2007, 04:11 PM	#1
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Flint you are the master of rationalization. If you honestly don't feel like she was acting racist then you have are trying everything you can to discredit me or you are the epitome of ignorance.

08-06-2007, 05:48 PM	#3
StereoMike Fellow-Commoner Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10	This "white people have privileges" issue leads to nothing. If a guy in Tibet would never know of internet and western culture he would never think he has less privileges. Missionaries carried christendom into the jungle (they might even have thought it would help). Think about it and ask yourself if it makes sense to normalize all cultural values and traditions to bring all to a "white" niveau. Sure there's apartheid and racism on a grand scale on this planet. But I think the privileges you have should be seen in cultural context. In some parts of the world you're king of your village with two cows. Here you need a Villa and several German cars. regarding the initial topic: I really don't get your point: people in china do eat dogs. Yes I say this in general, I could also say : People in America do drive cars. Despite the fact that kids, most elderly and some other guys don't drive cars. But I can also say Italians don't eat dogs. There _are_ cultural differences. And some of them are funny. For me and for you. If you're a native chinese, then all this touching, hugging and hand shaking of those long nosed western people is strange to you. As a kid I learned the importance of being able to laugh about oneself. Life's much easier with this ability, Freshnesschronic. mike

08-06-2007, 06:29 PM	#5
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Thanks, DanaC for not completely trying to dishevel me. I hope you've gotten something out of the article I posted and the story I posted, even if you don't agree completely or understand completely, respecting where I come from with my ideas is the most important thing to me.

08-06-2007, 10:08 PM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	White privilege, what a joke. I did not get a scholarship I was the most qualified for at Yale (yeah, someone there told me, she was pissed about it), wanna' know why, because I was white. You might want to check out the percentages of Asians in Ivy League colleges before shooting your pie hole off about "White Privilege". You also might want to check out the average Asian's yearly income, then yak some. In fact, look at ANY of the numbers then open your mouth... but, then you might not. I also had to wait for two people to get a promotion before me that were less educated, had less experience and were less qualified for the position and my boss told me that it was because of their race/sex. Guess what, people did not respect them and it harms their race... they walked past their office to my cube to get things done right, a shining example of "White Privilege" that... they get the salary and management makes me do the work, Yay whitey! Asians eat dogs, the French and some Germans eat horses... so what? It is not prejudice, fact...sure not all but those are the one's who do it. Not a race issue, it is a cultural issue. I have no issue with it, if I went to a restaurant an someone told me the dog was the best thing on the menu I would eat it. It is true, there IS NO difference between a dog and a pig or cow, both make good pets and are both, probably, equally delicious. People gotta' separate their emotions from their intellect, that includes you and this fucked-up imaginary race thing you have going on. BTW, Asians, as a minority deserve everything they get, culturally on-average, education is very important and they make sacrifices that most families could not IMAGINE in their wildest dreams to get their kids ahead and the kids do the same to deserve it... that is not racism... it is a cultural norm.

08-07-2007, 12:24 AM	#13
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Valid points rk. You weren't persuaded by the article. So be it. It's all good. I still respect you very much. This thread is getting tiresome like Shawnee said, time to kill it.

08-07-2007, 12:56 AM	#14
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	No, I was not... the article and website were jokes.

08-07-2007, 01:08 AM	#15
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Again, sorry.

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