Hey Pagans, seen this yet?

Troubleshooter · 02-09-2005, 10:52 AM

I just ran across this and was curious if you guys had seen anything about it yet.

From the Chief Blogging Officer

"To recap and retreat to McDonald's for a very early breakfast before the crosses burst into flames on my front lawn: those 12 Asatru websites Time magazine found on Yahoo in 1996 have grown to 206,000 mentions as reported by google today. Run another google search for Asatru Nazi, and the intersection of the two terms yields nearly a thousand page references. Granted, many are arguing that Odinism and Asatru bear no relationship to Nazi racism, but methinks that's a whole lotta ladies protesting way too much. Now search once more for +"Anglo-Celtic" +(racism | racist) and you'll get 15,400 hits."

jaguar · 02-09-2005, 11:41 AM

Not a big shock really. If you're into something as illogical as white supremecy anything that might vaguely support your cause is going to be grabbed at.

Schrodinger's Cat · 02-09-2005, 11:54 AM

Google on:

"racism" plus "democrat" 281,000 hits

"racism" plus "scientists" 366,000 hits

"racism" plus "republican" 525,000 hits

You were saying?

jaguar · 02-09-2005, 12:25 PM

"racism" + "cellar" = 16100

glatt · 02-09-2005, 12:33 PM

Jaguars love racism (21,500) but not as much as a wolf (216,000)

Troubleshooter · 02-09-2005, 03:41 PM

I wasn't saying anything. I picked what I thought the salient paragraph relating to my title was and then asked the pagans if they had heard about it.

I'm not pagan, I'm not qualified to decide if they should be worried that someone is conscripting their religion into a symbol of hate...

Trilby · 02-09-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm not pagan, I'm not qualified to decide if they should be worried that someone is conscripting their religion into a symbol of hate...

Pagans are far too disorganized to organize and notice this, and besides, it will never fly for them. Although Southern rednecks are historically of Scots-Irish descent, they're usually far too entrenched in the Born-Again culture to make this a go. I agree with the article author about the "Led Zep" appeal--I think Led Zeppelin should be worried--not us.

Makes me think of VIKING KITTENS!!! (but, that's just me

wolf · 02-10-2005, 01:29 AM

There's actually a lot of time spent (wasted) in the Asatruar community arguing over whether or not it is inherently racist to be volkish.

Quite a few of the Asatruar go to great lengths to separate themselves from any of the White Odinist organizations that ARE racist that use Germanic Pagan symbology. If you search around and look at the charters or statements of belief you'll see a lot of entries devoted to stating that racism is not tolerated, etc, etc. That being said, I heard a rumor about a black Asatruar, but I don't know if it's true.

Many (can I go so far as to say most?) Odinist pagan groups formed in prisons are a cover for Aryan Brotherhood activities. I'm not talking out of my hat on this one, I know a couple pagan prison guards. There are genuine pagans in prisons, but most of them are pretty quiet about it, as standing out often means that you get stood on.

There are a lot of sites that are actually White Pride sites (not that there's anything wrong with that) that are sufficiently subtle that less critical-minded folks miss that entirely. The Klan/AN members to watch out for are not the ones in the Hoods, as the saying goes.

sigynodinsson · 11-10-2005, 11:14 AM

I am an Odinist and my husband also. And my husband is in prison. I was raised a Catholic. And yes there is the A.B in prison. But most A.B truly are Pagans and the A.B is not natzi's or white surpremasist. Most law inforcement labeled A.B STG. They are white seperatist, and that is different. They are simply proud of their heritage and ancestors. They do not hate anyone. There is nothing wrong with that!! But there is a huge difference between white supremasist and white seperatist. A lot of pagan symbols such as the Othala Rune have been mistaken for hate symbols but when and if one knows thier history well enough dating back before Hitler knows these are actually symbols of peace. In society today a lot of people are confused because Hitler took a lot of tradional Pagan beliefs and twised them around. No one seems to get educated about Paganism before world war 2. Any A.B I have ever known is not ashamed of who they are and what they believe in there for they don't need "cover ups" to hide behind what they really believe in. Most A.B are strong, solid, and true individuals if they stay true to their code!!! I personaly am not in A.B but I am an Odonist. I think Hitler was a sick & twisted individual and I have no respect for him at all. So if A.B supposedly looked up to Hitler would they have disgust for Hitler as so many of them do? Odinist have been labeled STG simply so prison officials can harass them and abuse their power! Thus why many lawsuits are pending left & right!

Trilby · 11-10-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sigynodinsson

Most A.B are strong, solid, and true individuals if they stay true to their code!!!

Ok. What's the code?

02-09-2005, 10:52 AM	#1
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Hey Pagans, seen this yet? I just ran across this and was curious if you guys had seen anything about it yet. From the Chief Blogging Officer "To recap and retreat to McDonald's for a very early breakfast before the crosses burst into flames on my front lawn: those 12 Asatru websites Time magazine found on Yahoo in 1996 have grown to 206,000 mentions as reported by google today. Run another google search for Asatru Nazi, and the intersection of the two terms yields nearly a thousand page references. Granted, many are arguing that Odinism and Asatru bear no relationship to Nazi racism, but methinks that's a whole lotta ladies protesting way too much. Now search once more for +"Anglo-Celtic" +(racism \| racist) and you'll get 15,400 hits." __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-09-2005, 11:41 AM	#2
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Not a big shock really. If you're into something as illogical as white supremecy anything that might vaguely support your cause is going to be grabbed at. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

02-09-2005, 11:54 AM	#3
Schrodinger's Cat Macavity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Black Box Posts: 157	Google on: "racism" plus "democrat" 281,000 hits "racism" plus "scientists" 366,000 hits "racism" plus "republican" 525,000 hits You were saying? __________________ Macavity, Macavity, there's no on like Macavity, He's broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity. - T.S. Eliot, Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats

02-09-2005, 12:25 PM	#4
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	"racism" + "cellar" = 16100 __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

02-09-2005, 03:41 PM	#6
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I wasn't saying anything. I picked what I thought the salient paragraph relating to my title was and then asked the pagans if they had heard about it. I'm not pagan, I'm not qualified to decide if they should be worried that someone is conscripting their religion into a symbol of hate... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-09-2005, 12:33 PM	#5
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Jaguars love racism (21,500) but not as much as a wolf (216,000)

02-10-2005, 01:29 AM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	There's actually a lot of time spent (wasted) in the Asatruar community arguing over whether or not it is inherently racist to be volkish. Quite a few of the Asatruar go to great lengths to separate themselves from any of the White Odinist organizations that ARE racist that use Germanic Pagan symbology. If you search around and look at the charters or statements of belief you'll see a lot of entries devoted to stating that racism is not tolerated, etc, etc. That being said, I heard a rumor about a black Asatruar, but I don't know if it's true. Many (can I go so far as to say most?) Odinist pagan groups formed in prisons are a cover for Aryan Brotherhood activities. I'm not talking out of my hat on this one, I know a couple pagan prison guards. There are genuine pagans in prisons, but most of them are pretty quiet about it, as standing out often means that you get stood on. There are a lot of sites that are actually White Pride sites (not that there's anything wrong with that) that are sufficiently subtle that less critical-minded folks miss that entirely. The Klan/AN members to watch out for are not the ones in the Hoods, as the saying goes. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-10-2005, 11:14 AM	#9
sigynodinsson Kinda New Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1	Odinist are NOT A.B cover ups! I am an Odinist and my husband also. And my husband is in prison. I was raised a Catholic. And yes there is the A.B in prison. But most A.B truly are Pagans and the A.B is not natzi's or white surpremasist. Most law inforcement labeled A.B STG. They are white seperatist, and that is different. They are simply proud of their heritage and ancestors. They do not hate anyone. There is nothing wrong with that!! But there is a huge difference between white supremasist and white seperatist. A lot of pagan symbols such as the Othala Rune have been mistaken for hate symbols but when and if one knows thier history well enough dating back before Hitler knows these are actually symbols of peace. In society today a lot of people are confused because Hitler took a lot of tradional Pagan beliefs and twised them around. No one seems to get educated about Paganism before world war 2. Any A.B I have ever known is not ashamed of who they are and what they believe in there for they don't need "cover ups" to hide behind what they really believe in. Most A.B are strong, solid, and true individuals if they stay true to their code!!! I personaly am not in A.B but I am an Odonist. I think Hitler was a sick & twisted individual and I have no respect for him at all. So if A.B supposedly looked up to Hitler would they have disgust for Hitler as so many of them do? Odinist have been labeled STG simply so prison officials can harass them and abuse their power! Thus why many lawsuits are pending left & right!

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