What if I've been wrong about W?

Griff · 03-01-2005, 09:32 PM

We've got huge peaceful and maybe effective demonstrations hopefully driving the Syrians out of Lebanon. Egypt may actually get a competitive election. Wierd. Not that I really go for democracy but maybe some governments can be changed without a bloodbath. Iraq is still a shitstorm though. This is as close as a cellarite ever gets to admission of wrongness, enjoy the spectical.

PS. George do not take this as a go ahead to get more Marines killed you AWOL punk.

Undertoad · 03-01-2005, 10:44 PM

Lebanese chick protesters are really hot. Be on the right side of this one! :P

lookout123 · 03-01-2005, 10:47 PM

somehow i was expecting them tolook more like Klinger.

Undertoad · 03-01-2005, 10:58 PM

My, oh, my.

These are liberated arabic women! And they ROCK!

lumberjim · 03-01-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

We've got huge peaceful and maybe effective demonstrations hopefully driving the Syrians out of Lebanon. Egypt may actually get a competitive election. Wierd. Not that I really go for democracy but maybe some governments can be changed without a bloodbath. Iraq is still a shitstorm though. This is as close as a cellarite ever gets to admission of wrongness, enjoy the spectical.

PS. George do not take this as a go ahead to get more Marines killed you AWOL punk.

It's 'spectacle', ZippyG

hot_pastrami · 03-01-2005, 11:17 PM

I saw an article recently which posed the question "What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?" It's a nice little piece by a "skeptic" which suggests that perhaps Bush's ends (a vote in Iraq) justifies his means (an unprovoked, unjustified attack on a sovereign nation which posed no threat to us, nor was it even close to being the worst human rights offender). I found that particular brand of tripe to be unswallowable.

There is much evidence that voter turnout was due to coersion. The country is far from safe, and thousands of men, women and children have died. That's to say nothing of the castration of our civil liberties here at home, the prisoners tortured and imprisoned indefinitely without trial...

If you had a low opinion of W, I'd say you weren't wrong. He earned it. I am absolutely not suggesting that nothing good has come of this war, but the bufoonery of the execution has made the price far dearer than it needed to be.

hot_pastrami · 03-01-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

My, oh, my. These are liberated arabic women! And they ROCK!

With that much, I certainly agree. Yowza.

cowhead · 03-02-2005, 05:52 AM

uh do you mean that they are hot? rock.. hot... dropping it

no really, I think it's great what's happening there.. and like in the Ukraine. peacful protests that actually accomploish something, great to see. and I am all in favour of womens rights, and it seems to my american ass that there needs to be more of that in the world

Griff · 03-02-2005, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hot_pastrami

If you had a low opinion of W, I'd say you weren't wrong. He earned it. I am absolutely not suggesting that nothing good has come of this war, but the bufoonery of the execution has made the price far dearer than it needed to be.

I was in the nothing camp. Now at least something may come of it.

Yowza doesn't even touch that.

You'd best be very careful, Jimbo.

lumberjim · 03-02-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

You'd best be very careful, Jimbo.

I'm sorry, the response we were looking for was "fuck you, lumberdave."

You still qualify for the lightning round, though, so stay tuned and we'll be back after these important messages.

iamthewalrus109 · 03-02-2005, 09:28 AM

As proven by the experience of the French Revolution, the Weimar Republic, and the short lived Constitutional monarchy in Russia in 1916-7, sometimes a shaky neophyte democratic government can lead to complete disaster and genocide. One has to remember that a true democracy can only survive in an economic and political climate that allows it. As seen with the French in 1789/80 what appeared to be bloodless, resulted in the executions of hundreds of people and the Napoleaonic wars. So it is to be seen what happens to these "democracies". Wait in the wings well prepared for the worst.

-Walrus

jaguar · 03-02-2005, 10:54 AM

What the fuck does the Syrians assassinating a popular Lebanese politician leading to mass protests have to do with Bush? Precisely Fuck all. What does the new hope in the Israeli/Palestinian peace process have to do with bush? Fuck all. They're both the product of internal, home-grown forces. Want to see what happens when that works? Look at Ukraine at the moment. Want to see what happens when it's forced by foreign interests? Look at Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan at the moment.

The net effect of the invasion and occuption of Iraq so far has been to drive Iran closer to the edge, Syria off the deep end, deepen the hate in Saudi and lay the seeds for a gorgeous little civil war if they ever pull out of Iraq and maybe even if they don't.

lookout123 · 03-02-2005, 10:58 AM

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sometimes a shaky neophyte democratic government can lead to complete disaster and genocide.

we can only keeper our fingers crossed and hope, right walrus?

Undertoad · 03-02-2005, 11:24 AM

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What the fuck does the Syrians assassinating a popular Lebanese politician leading to mass protests have to do with Bush? Precisely Fuck all.

Maybe this will have that intended effect, and since France is involved you can be in favor.

iamthewalrus109 · 03-02-2005, 11:26 AM

True 123 we can hope, but definately don't count on GW Bush just crossing his fingers. If he and his buddies do anything, they'll be putting their fingers all over these events.

-Walrus

03-01-2005, 09:32 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	What if I've been wrong about W? We've got huge peaceful and maybe effective demonstrations hopefully driving the Syrians out of Lebanon. Egypt may actually get a competitive election. Wierd. Not that I really go for democracy but maybe some governments can be changed without a bloodbath. Iraq is still a shitstorm though. This is as close as a cellarite ever gets to admission of wrongness, enjoy the spectical. PS. George do not take this as a go ahead to get more Marines killed you AWOL punk. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-01-2005, 10:47 PM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	somehow i was expecting them tolook more like Klinger. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-01-2005, 11:17 PM	#6
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	I saw an article recently which posed the question "What if Bush has been right about Iraq all along?" It's a nice little piece by a "skeptic" which suggests that perhaps Bush's ends (a vote in Iraq) justifies his means (an unprovoked, unjustified attack on a sovereign nation which posed no threat to us, nor was it even close to being the worst human rights offender). I found that particular brand of tripe to be unswallowable. There is much evidence that voter turnout was due to coersion. The country is far from safe, and thousands of men, women and children have died. That's to say nothing of the castration of our civil liberties here at home, the prisoners tortured and imprisoned indefinitely without trial... If you had a low opinion of W, I'd say you weren't wrong. He earned it. I am absolutely not suggesting that nothing good has come of this war, but the bufoonery of the execution has made the price far dearer than it needed to be. __________________ Hot Pastrami! Last edited by hot_pastrami; 03-01-2005 at 11:19 PM. Reason: fixed typo

03-02-2005, 05:52 AM	#8
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	uh do you mean that they are hot? rock.. hot... dropping it no really, I think it's great what's happening there.. and like in the Ukraine. peacful protests that actually accomploish something, great to see. and I am all in favour of womens rights, and it seems to my american ass that there needs to be more of that in the world __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

03-02-2005, 09:28 AM	#11
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	The possibility of chaos always exists As proven by the experience of the French Revolution, the Weimar Republic, and the short lived Constitutional monarchy in Russia in 1916-7, sometimes a shaky neophyte democratic government can lead to complete disaster and genocide. One has to remember that a true democracy can only survive in an economic and political climate that allows it. As seen with the French in 1789/80 what appeared to be bloodless, resulted in the executions of hundreds of people and the Napoleaonic wars. So it is to be seen what happens to these "democracies". Wait in the wings well prepared for the worst. -Walrus

03-01-2005, 10:44 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Lebanese chick protesters are really hot. Be on the right side of this one! :P

03-01-2005, 10:58 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	My, oh, my. These are liberated arabic women! And they ROCK!

03-02-2005, 10:54 AM	#12
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	What the fuck does the Syrians assassinating a popular Lebanese politician leading to mass protests have to do with Bush? Precisely Fuck all. What does the new hope in the Israeli/Palestinian peace process have to do with bush? Fuck all. They're both the product of internal, home-grown forces. Want to see what happens when that works? Look at Ukraine at the moment. Want to see what happens when it's forced by foreign interests? Look at Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan at the moment. The net effect of the invasion and occuption of Iraq so far has been to drive Iran closer to the edge, Syria off the deep end, deepen the hate in Saudi and lay the seeds for a gorgeous little civil war if they ever pull out of Iraq and maybe even if they don't. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

03-02-2005, 11:26 AM	#15
iamthewalrus109 High Propagandist Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 111	We can hope True 123 we can hope, but definately don't count on GW Bush just crossing his fingers. If he and his buddies do anything, they'll be putting their fingers all over these events. -Walrus

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