California strikes again!

BrianR · 04-28-2005, 08:28 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._ballistics_id

I hope to Bob that this doesn't come to pass. I cannot imagine the mess this will cause.

Restart the gun control debate at will.

russotto · 04-28-2005, 08:35 AM

Um, if they put serial numbers on the bullet, where's the space for the names I like to put on them?

Obviously, the main purpose of this is to make handgun bullets prohibitively expensive (for legal users). Pretty transparent ploy if you ask me.

Never mind the question about where you're going to put the serial number. If they actually put it on the lead, it's certainly not going to be readable after firing. On the jacket, maybe but most likely not. And a laser-cut serial number, unlike a stamped one, won't be recoverable once it is filed off.

Beestie · 04-28-2005, 08:47 AM

And lo, ammmo stands just on the Arizona side of the California border sprang up like mushrooms after a spring rain. And files were in abundance.

Hey, maybe they can require everyone who owns a file in the state of California to register that file! AND, they can make it a felony to transport a file into the state of California!

Legislators strut about like peacocks in heat, pat selves on back, chests bursting with pride.

Troubleshooter · 04-28-2005, 09:04 AM

A question comes to mind.

Will Law Enforcement ammunition be so marked?

Happy Monkey · 04-28-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by russotto

Obviously, the main purpose of this is to make handgun bullets prohibitively expensive (for legal users). Pretty transparent ploy if you ask me.

Hey, that is Chris Rock's idea. If a bullet was $5000, there'd probably be a damn good reason for most gun murders - and a short list of suspects.

Half a cent per bullet wouldn't be quite enough for Rock's purposes, though...

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Never mind the question about where you're going to put the serial number. If they actually put it on the lead, it's certainly not going to be readable after firing.

I'd put it on the back of the bullet, where it would be concealed in the cartridge, and slightly more difficult to file off. I'm sure they'd be able to design it to survive firing.

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Will Law Enforcement ammunition be so marked?

I'd hope so, even if it doesn't happen for non-law-enforcement.

wolf · 04-28-2005, 11:20 AM

They will probably tag bullets like explosives are already tagged ... there are teensy weensy bits of this stuff that doesn't blow up that has the code numbers in it. I think it's mostly used for batch numbers rather than individual stick of dynomite numbers, but it could be adapted to be poured with the lead for the bullet itself. Serial numbering of the casings would be pretty simple.

I don't want to see either happen, obviously.

russotto · 04-28-2005, 12:57 PM

The half-cent fee is only the fee paid to the state; that doesn't take into account the cost of actually numbering the bullet, or the economics of the enormous reduction in supply this would cause. It wouldn't make bullets $5000, but it would make them much more expensive than they are now.

I can't see a laser cut number on the back of a lead bullet surviving being fired, let alone the bullet hitting anything.

Using taggants in the lead would work better but that apparently isn't the proposal on the table.

BrianR · 04-28-2005, 11:20 PM

And the bill doesn't address those who both cast their own ammo and reload their own cartridges.

Tonchi · 04-29-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by russotto

The half-cent fee is only the fee paid to the state; that doesn't take into account the cost of actually numbering the bullet, or the economics of the enormous reduction in supply this would cause. It wouldn't make bullets $5000, but it would make them much more expensive than they are now.

Well, to save money California will probably decide they could have them stamped in the prison workshops, like the license plates.... hmmm...

xoxoxoBruce · 04-30-2005, 07:19 AM

Put this in the catagory of so many gun laws that won't accomplish anything but add to the bureaucracy. Do they really think the baddies will use ammo that is marked, unless it's stolen?

shadowhawk77 · 04-30-2005, 12:25 PM

California's been taken over by liberals. All the conservatives have left and gone to Arizona.

wolf · 04-30-2005, 12:26 PM

I think some of them went to try to stave off the liberal invasion of Washington State, too.

They gave up on Oregon. Lost Cause.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-30-2005, 10:21 PM

WA is one of the Wobblies original strongholds and home of some of it's bloodiest battles.

BigV · 05-01-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I think some of them went to try to stave off the liberal invasion of Washington State, too. snip

classic conservative dittohead doublespeak

liberal invasion.... pbbtbtbtbtbt. as if they (yeah, THEY) were here first. baloney.

in the immortal words of the conservative in chief,

bring it on.

wolf · 05-01-2005, 12:42 AM

My friends tell me that they hold the East.

And they will kick your latte' sucking brioche eatin' asses.

Actually, I read an article tonight about a movement to have the 20 Eastern Washington counties secede and form a 51st State.

04-28-2005, 08:28 AM	#1
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	California strikes again! http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._ballistics_id I hope to Bob that this doesn't come to pass. I cannot imagine the mess this will cause. Restart the gun control debate at will. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-28-2005, 08:47 AM	#3
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	And lo, ammmo stands just on the Arizona side of the California border sprang up like mushrooms after a spring rain. And files were in abundance. Hey, maybe they can require everyone who owns a file in the state of California to register that file! AND, they can make it a felony to transport a file into the state of California! Legislators strut about like peacocks in heat, pat selves on back, chests bursting with pride. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

04-28-2005, 09:04 AM	#4
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	A question comes to mind. Will Law Enforcement ammunition be so marked? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

04-28-2005, 11:20 AM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	They will probably tag bullets like explosives are already tagged ... there are teensy weensy bits of this stuff that doesn't blow up that has the code numbers in it. I think it's mostly used for batch numbers rather than individual stick of dynomite numbers, but it could be adapted to be poured with the lead for the bullet itself. Serial numbering of the casings would be pretty simple. I don't want to see either happen, obviously. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-28-2005, 11:20 PM	#8
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	And the bill doesn't address those who both cast their own ammo and reload their own cartridges. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-28-2005, 08:35 AM	#2
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Um, if they put serial numbers on the bullet, where's the space for the names I like to put on them? Obviously, the main purpose of this is to make handgun bullets prohibitively expensive (for legal users). Pretty transparent ploy if you ask me. Never mind the question about where you're going to put the serial number. If they actually put it on the lead, it's certainly not going to be readable after firing. On the jacket, maybe but most likely not. And a laser-cut serial number, unlike a stamped one, won't be recoverable once it is filed off.

04-28-2005, 12:57 PM	#7
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	The half-cent fee is only the fee paid to the state; that doesn't take into account the cost of actually numbering the bullet, or the economics of the enormous reduction in supply this would cause. It wouldn't make bullets $5000, but it would make them much more expensive than they are now. I can't see a laser cut number on the back of a lead bullet surviving being fired, let alone the bullet hitting anything. Using taggants in the lead would work better but that apparently isn't the proposal on the table.

04-30-2005, 07:19 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Put this in the catagory of so many gun laws that won't accomplish anything but add to the bureaucracy. Do they really think the baddies will use ammo that is marked, unless it's stolen? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-30-2005, 12:25 PM	#11
shadowhawk77 Silent and Deadly Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 2	California's been taken over by liberals. All the conservatives have left and gone to Arizona.

04-30-2005, 12:26 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I think some of them went to try to stave off the liberal invasion of Washington State, too. They gave up on Oregon. Lost Cause. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-30-2005, 10:21 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	WA is one of the Wobblies original strongholds and home of some of it's bloodiest battles. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-01-2005, 12:42 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	My friends tell me that they hold the East. And they will kick your latte' sucking brioche eatin' asses. Actually, I read an article tonight about a movement to have the 20 Eastern Washington counties secede and form a 51st State. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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