Paris attacks

[Lamplighter]

The Gov of Michigan is one of the ringleaders of this witch-hunt.

Imagine how many vacant houses in Detroit could be made into homes by Syrian refugees.
Maybe these refugees would even be willing to fix them up a bit, and pay taxes on them,
and work in the community, and have kids, and join the military, and ... you know,
the same sort of things other refugees have done when given asylum in the US.

( Some might even become Republicans)

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[xoxoxoBruce]

There was a lot of bitching about the Vietnamese refugees also, because the prolonged war which affected almost everyone. But they had money, and the skills to succeed in a better financial climate.

Syrians, work where? The jobs that allow vacant houses to be rehabbed and pay taxes on the result, have gone to China, Mexico, India. So you bring in refugees with nothing but the shirt on their back, may or may not speak English, then expect them to support themselves and rehab real estate? Lofty goals indeed. There has to be a plan to address those issues if you expect them to integrate and be successful. Otherwise they become destitute and desperate... prime for recruiting by terrorists.

I'm not saying keep them out, I'm saying do it right.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

,,,But they had money, and the skills to succeed in a better financial climate.

Syrians, work where? ...So you bring in refugees with nothing but the shirt on their back,
may or may not speak English, then expect them to support themselves
and rehab real estate ? Lofty goals indeed. ...

I'm not saying keep them out, I'm saying do it right.

What a bunch of preconceived ideas !
Like learning English is something that refugees have never done before.
Like these particular refugees are unskilled, incapable, and ... latent terrorists.

How much motivation did it take to risk the lives of their children to leave Syria ?
What skills did they need to assemble the $ for passage those boats ?
How did they live in Syria... putting Elephant Leaves over their head when it rained ?

What do you mean by "... do it right" ?
... Maybe we could to build a "Trumph Wall" all the way around our castle.

Sorry be sarcastic, xoB, but your response this time one is xenophobic.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

... refugees are unskilled, incapable, and ... latent terrorists...

Wow, Lamplighter. This is some of the most disgusting stuff you have ever written.

Our country was built by immigrants. Why do you hate America?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Sorry be sarcastic, xoB, but your response this time one is xenophobic.

No it wasn't but yours certainly was. Twisting what I said about doing more than just dumping the refugees, shows a black heart beneath that left liberal persona.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So you bring in refugees with nothing but the shirt on their back, may or may not speak English, then expect them to support themselves and rehab real estate? Lofty goals indeed. There has to be a plan to address those issues if you expect them to integrate and be successful. Otherwise they become destitute and desperate... prime for recruiting by terrorists.

Throughout America's history, destitude and desparate immigrants learned English, bought houses, and succeeded. In fact, 40% of the companies in this nation were started by immigrants. These tend to become the most successful Americans.

The Syrians are a particularly unique group. Whereas maybe 10% or as much as 15% of Syrians are higher educated (ie professionals), 40% of the immigrants (refugees) from Syria are these better educated people. Most waves of immigrants almost never such a high percentage of better educated people. Any nation that wants a brighter economic future (and more productive companies) would gleefully welcome Syrians.

Detroit clearly needs these people. Detroit has a job shortage because Detroit has a shortage or innovation people - the source of new jobs.

[sexobon]

Maybe we could get France to pay us refugee support to keep them from going there.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Nope, France is blowing all their money doing exactly what ISIS wants.

[sexobon]

Opening a Folies Bergère in Syria?

[xoxoxoBruce]

That would add to the circus of their recruitment campaign, I suppose. Speaking of circus, Putin said, their airliner was definitely blown up by a bomb, and unleashed 25 bombers on Syria, all on the opposite side of the country from where ISIS is.

[sexobon]

I think we are all bright enough around here to know how the government should do it right.

[Lamplighter]

Virginia mayor cites Japanese internment camps (favorably) in making case for halting Syrian refugees.
Washington Post -Amber Phillips - November 18

Twice in one day now, politicians have evoked the powerful memory of
the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II to argue about
whether the United States should continue plans to resettle 10,000 Syrian
refugees after the terrorist attacks in Paris.

One politician, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D), pretty eloquently argued
that closing the doors to these Syrian refugees would be a mistake driven
by the same kind of irrational fear that led to the unlawful imprisonment
and stripping of property of U.S. citizens based solely on their ethnic heritage.

But then there are even some Democrats that are running scared.

To Wit: from today's letter of Mayor David A. Browers (Roanoke, VA)
as he requested :

"...all Roanoke Valley governments and non-governmental agencies
to suspend and delay any further Syrian refugee assistance
until these serious hostilities and atrocities end, or at the very least until
regarded as under control by U.S. authorities, and normalcy is restored.

"I'm reminded that Franklin D. Roosevelt felt compelled to to sequester
Japanese foreign nationals after the bombing of Pearl Harbor,
and it appears that the threat of harm to America from [the Islamic State]
now is just as real and serious a threat as that from our enemies then," he said.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Virginia mayor cites Japanese internment camps (favorably) in making case for halting Syrian refugees.

Roanoke mayor apologizes for suggesting internment for Syrian refugees
Washington Post -Laura Vozzella - November 20,2015-

RICHMOND — ...“It’s just not in my heart to be racist or bigoted,” Roanoke Mayor David Bowers (D)
said, according to Roanoke TV station WDBJ. “I apologize to all of those offended by my remarks.
No one else is to blame, but me.”…

One comment on this apology by hill_guy

Yes, I know. I have cherry-picked from the these articles.

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[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

... Yes, I know. I have cherry-picked from the these articles.

At your age you can't be a cherry popper so you have to settle for cherry picker. Life is hard, then you die.

[DanaC]

Lamp's comments were overly harsh, but I see what he means about some of it. I doubt very much that bruce intended his comment to denigrate the syrian refugees - but the implied assumption that, unlike previous waves of refugees, the syrian refugees would be particularly uneducated, unskilled and unable to communicate in english definitely plays into an unpleasant and unfair stereotype.

The majority of those making such a journey are the people with the resources to do so, including access to funds and contacts. The proportion of refugees with higher education and an at one time affluent or middle-class background is much higher than in the general syrian population. Also - probably much higher than in the host communities they go to.

As an aside - we need to stop thinking about radicalism as a disease of the poor and uneducated - it's the other way around now. Look at which young men (and women) are travelling to and from syria pedalling extremism - how often do we hear that they were students?