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01-26-2005, 01:52 PM | #16 | ||
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Actually, I'm objecting precisely because I want people to continue to be offended by the swastika. I want it to stand as a reminder of what we're all capable of if we allow ourselves, like the German people did, to become the tools of a tyrannical government in the service of slaughtering 'inferior' people. Genocide is happening right now, somewhere. Let people everywhere know what the swastika means - and it don't mean peace. Sorry, Hindus. If anything, anyone who supports the Hindus here is more of a PC policeman than I am! You're more concerned with the cultural sensitivities of the Hindu and their symbol, than about a very important lesson in human history. Bottom line is, the swastika is about learning from our history and not condemning ourselves to repeat the mistakes of our past. Let's not lose that lesson just because Hindus say "it was our symbol first!" (besides, would anyone be surprised if they stole it from another culture?) |
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01-26-2005, 02:04 PM | #19 | |
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01-26-2005, 02:40 PM | #20 |
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There is a significant difference between the Nazi swastika and those used by the Asians.
But first, a little tidbit... the swastika, at least in Buddhist theology, is a symbol of purification and the state one reaches when enlightened. The Nazi's took that symbol and warped it into the genocide of all but their white/blonde/blue-eyed/etc super race. Quite unfortunate, really... The biggest difference is that the Nazi swastika is rotated 45 degrees so that it looks kind of like a diamond. The traditional swastika is more square-like. You'll notice that the Canadian Swastika team uses the traditional alignment for the swastika. |
01-26-2005, 03:28 PM | #21 | |
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01-26-2005, 04:50 PM | #22 | |
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Anyway, whether or not Jews (or anyone else) are offended by that image is only a minor point, as far as I'm concerned. |
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01-26-2005, 06:57 PM | #23 |
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Some Jews don't eat Bacon, can we get mmmmmbacon to change his user name to someting less treif? How about mmmmmtofu? or mmmmchicken? Or maybe just mmmm?
Why don't we just kowtow to everyone's personal sensitivity and then kill a bunch of palestinians to show how sensitive we are to people's feelings. Oh yeah, I mean kill them after we just take their land. My bad.
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01-26-2005, 07:59 PM | #24 | |
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So, suppose the Nazis had used a cross, or a star of David, or a flag with stars and stripes as their symbol? Would it be wrong for Christians, Jews, or Americans to keep using that symbol that means so much to them? I think of it this way. The swastika has been a symbol used by Hindus for thousands of years, and they didn't stop when the Nazis came along. But there's probably a lot of misunderstanding when non-Hindus see this, so my thinking is that they're trying to tell the world, hey, we use this symbol as well, and when we use it, it doesn't mean we want to kill anybody. Just to help clear up any miscommunication. I think people can understand context more than you give them credit for. When they see a swastika spray-painted on a tombstone in Georgia, they know it means something a lot different than when it's formed from thousands of candles in India. Just like people know the difference when they hear the "N word" in a rap song vs. me walking down the street yelling it at black people. Do you think that without swastikas, people will forget about the Holocaust? |
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01-26-2005, 08:35 PM | #25 |
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I'm thinking the Old Capitol museum in Jackson, MS. has a Swastika in the floor. Built around 1839.
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01-26-2005, 09:24 PM | #26 |
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I'm with axlrosen, don't underestimate the unwashed masses, they understand. I don't think any of the gang bikers will be covering their swastika tattoos because the Hindus call for it's return as a symbol of good things.
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01-26-2005, 10:36 PM | #28 | |
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The German Eagle was also a symbol of the Nazi party, yet we Americans use a very similar symbol in our goverment.
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01-26-2005, 10:55 PM | #29 | |
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Isn't there anyone else here thinking "the swastika as a symbol of peace??? you're kidding, right?" Yes, I get it. That's their old symbol. It just strikes me as horribly naive that they think the rest of the world will want to adopt their symbol over the much more significant meaning it has taken on since the thousands of years they've used it. Actually, there probably is a sizable portion of the world's population that would adopt it, if simply to make the badness go away. After all, that's what we do, repress repress repress! |
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