May 13, 2008: Bull Terrior v's Porcupine - Page 2

lookout123 · 05-13-2008, 11:21 AM

I've had at least one dog and usually two my whole life. I've had a number of different breeds. The two most gentle, family oriented, and generally well behaved animals I've had were both pit bulls.

One was a pit bull/lab mix and I'll miss and talk about that dog til the day I die. I lost him to unexplained kidney failure a few years ago.

My current dog is a pit bull and possibly the most gentle, docile dog I've ever had.

Don't believe the hype on the breed. It is the owner and the training that matters most.

Shawnee123 · 05-13-2008, 12:14 PM

On the other hand, you won't find nearly as many news stories about a Golden Retriever that all of a sudden ripped some kid's face off.

Don't get me wrong, I've also met many sweet pits. I wouldn't leave one alone with my nieces though. For that matter, I wouldn't leave them alone with a little snippy yappy lap dog with short guy syndrome, either.

Diaphone Jim · 05-17-2008, 11:17 AM

It is always a little surprising to find which threads get "legs," especially when one seems to have been the spark. I was purposely being dense when I responded that pit bulls were aggressive, when I knew that Aliantha meant porcupines. I also think I knew that the prickly dog was not really a pit bull, but the more venerable bull terrier.
In my area, famous for marijuana cultivation, pit bulls are common and commonly assholes, as are their owners.
I think the phenomenon is sort of the result of the perfect storm of canine breedability, capability and training. The dickwad down the street who would intimidate all the neighbors is no more likely to set his Corgy on you, than he is to carry a .22 short derringer instead of a Glock 9.
His pit bulls, instead, have been bred to have overly strong jaws and been trained to attack and hold on, both of which, in my experience, they are happy to do.

ogwen69 · 05-17-2008, 11:42 AM

Is it just me or has this been around for a lot longer than 3 years? I'm sure this was doing the rounds when I was at Uni and I left there 8 years ago.

Sundae · 05-13-2008, 12:45 PM

I've hear some people with children say they are really kind and gentle. I wouldn't leave one with my cats though.

It's all ooh and aah and pretty kitty when you're on the room.
But they just can't wait to get onto the whisker pulling, tail yanking and eye gouging...

Gravdigr · 05-13-2008, 01:50 PM

I had truly hoped to never see this picture again...

Shawnee123 · 05-13-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I've hear some people with children say they are really kind and gentle. I wouldn't leave one with my cats though.

It's all ooh and aah and pretty kitty when you're on the room.
But they just can't wait to get onto the whisker pulling, tail yanking and eye gouging...

Damn kids!

sweetwater · 05-13-2008, 02:46 PM

I'd prefer to believe the bull terrier was dressing up like a porcupine for a costume party. Poor thing! And worse is knowing that if he/she sees another porcupine then it would joyfully repeat the attack. At least our dogs never learned What Happens When You Chase the Funny Smelling Black Cats With the White Stripes.

lookout123 · 05-13-2008, 04:09 PM

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Golden Retriever that all of a sudden ripped some kid's face off.

Pit bulls test higher (which is good) on the canine temperment test. But you can keep listening to the hysterics on the news. We all know how dedicated they are to presenting a true balanced story even at the expense of entertainment and ratings.

Aliantha · 05-13-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Pit bulls test higher (which is good) on the canine temperment test. But you can keep listening to the hysterics on the news. We all know how dedicated they are to presenting a true balanced story even at the expense of entertainment and ratings.

Not everyone bases their opinion on certain breeds of dogs because of what they've heard on the news. I know I don't, and I still wouldn't trust a pit bull. Any pit bull, and it's not because of the media. It's from personal experience with a number of them and other breeds like bull terriers which get a bad rap in media. Sure they cop shit from the press, and of course not all dogs of a particular breed are going to be vicious, but it's fairly ignorant to suggest that other posters only base their opinions on what they see in the media, and not what they know from first hand experience.

As you will defend a pit bull, I'd defend a bull terrier and suggest it's in the way they're brought up, even though bull terriers are in my experience, pretty thick and hard to teach. I've been brought up with hunting dogs such as bully's and bully crosses, and there are some bad ones, but the ones we always had (and which my parents bred and which later became a recognized breed called 'Bull Arab') were pretty docile other than when they were hunting wild pigs.

DucksNuts · 05-13-2008, 08:11 PM

Agreed Lookout, we've had Pit Bulls and they are beautiful docile dogs when trained and loved (as opposed to tormented and taught to fight).

My parents little Fox terrier is the most intolerant little bitch you will meet.

Sundae, GrimBley (our new kittie) is quickly training my two little ferel (kids) that he wont be taking no shit from them

Clodfobble · 05-13-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

btw, I really appreciate the help.

Sorry I've been mostly absent these last several weeks... I'm still getting used to the new workload, but I'm hoping to be posting pictures on a semi-regular basis again soon.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-13-2008, 11:19 PM

Oh sure, while I'm slaving over a hot board, you're out doing easy stuff, like having a baby.

Shawnee123 · 05-14-2008, 08:18 AM

Oh, I forgot how fucking stupid I am. Forgive me. Must learn to read...I just git mah information from the news shows. ET is my favorite. Jello.

Truth is, it is in the breeding. You don't see a lot of the dog fight mongers throwing a golden into the ring, unless it's to watch it get ripped into pieces.

Hopefully, you'll stay very lucky and never get one with an ounce of blood from fight-breeding.

And in the course of quoting me, try to at least add a ~snip~ when taking things out of context. kthxbai

Woof.

DanaC · 05-15-2008, 07:37 AM

The problem isn't that 'dangerous' breeds are more likely to attack. The problem is in the nature of the attack if it does occur. A westie is probably just as likely to snap and go for a kiddie (I believe there was a case where a westie damn near took a baby's face off) which is why kids should never be left alone with dogs, regardless of the breed. The problem with the so-caled 'dangerous' dogs, is that on the occassions when attacks occur, whether because of mental instability or poor training, some dogs simply do more damage than others. Dogs bred for fighting, such as American Pit Bulls, or Japanese Akitas, once they attack are more likely to kill.

Any dog can snap. Any breed can be a problem. Any breed of dog has examples of, well trained dogs and likewise examples of poorly trained dogs. The chances of a dog snapping are increased if the owner has raised it improperly. That said, even well trained and beautifully raised dogs have the capacity to snap in an instant. How many times have we heard the line "but it was a beautiful family dog."?

I recall once reading about a Springer Spaniel who, after 9 years of being the beloved family pet, snapped and tore half the youngest child's face off. Why? Because it was prematurely senile. The little girl had stuck her face into the dogs for a cuddle and kiss and the dog responded instictively in a way it had never done before.

The stuff in the press is unhelpful. It suggests that there are 'safe' breeds of dog. There is no such thing as an entirely safe, entirely trustworthy dog. Some breeds, however, when they attack, do so swiftly and without follow through: i.e, they bite. Others, if they attack, do so with totality, not stopping until they have killed the one they're attacking: usually these are breeds who have been bred specifically to fight. Usually, not always.

I would no more trust a child alone with my bearded collie dog, than I would with a Rottweiler or an Akita.

05-13-2008, 11:21 AM	#1
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I've had at least one dog and usually two my whole life. I've had a number of different breeds. The two most gentle, family oriented, and generally well behaved animals I've had were both pit bulls. One was a pit bull/lab mix and I'll miss and talk about that dog til the day I die. I lost him to unexplained kidney failure a few years ago. My current dog is a pit bull and possibly the most gentle, docile dog I've ever had. Don't believe the hype on the breed. It is the owner and the training that matters most. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

05-13-2008, 12:14 PM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	On the other hand, you won't find nearly as many news stories about a Golden Retriever that all of a sudden ripped some kid's face off. Don't get me wrong, I've also met many sweet pits. I wouldn't leave one alone with my nieces though. For that matter, I wouldn't leave them alone with a little snippy yappy lap dog with short guy syndrome, either. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

05-17-2008, 11:42 AM	#4
ogwen69 Custom User Title goes here Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 42	Back to the original post Is it just me or has this been around for a lot longer than 3 years? I'm sure this was doing the rounds when I was at Uni and I left there 8 years ago.

05-13-2008, 12:45 PM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I've hear some people with children say they are really kind and gentle. I wouldn't leave one with my cats though. It's all ooh and aah and pretty kitty when you're on the room. But they just can't wait to get onto the whisker pulling, tail yanking and eye gouging... __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

05-13-2008, 02:46 PM	#8
sweetwater lives inside a Mobius strip Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,120	I'd prefer to believe the bull terrier was dressing up like a porcupine for a costume party. Poor thing! And worse is knowing that if he/she sees another porcupine then it would joyfully repeat the attack. At least our dogs never learned What Happens When You Chase the Funny Smelling Black Cats With the White Stripes. __________________ I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! - Bugs Bunny

05-17-2008, 11:17 AM	#3
Diaphone Jim Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,122	It is always a little surprising to find which threads get "legs," especially when one seems to have been the spark. I was purposely being dense when I responded that pit bulls were aggressive, when I knew that Aliantha meant porcupines. I also think I knew that the prickly dog was not really a pit bull, but the more venerable bull terrier. In my area, famous for marijuana cultivation, pit bulls are common and commonly assholes, as are their owners. I think the phenomenon is sort of the result of the perfect storm of canine breedability, capability and training. The dickwad down the street who would intimidate all the neighbors is no more likely to set his Corgy on you, than he is to carry a .22 short derringer instead of a Glock 9. His pit bulls, instead, have been bred to have overly strong jaws and been trained to attack and hold on, both of which, in my experience, they are happy to do.

05-13-2008, 01:50 PM	#6
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	I had truly hoped to never see this picture again...

05-13-2008, 08:11 PM	#11
DucksNuts Bitchy Little Brat Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,067	Agreed Lookout, we've had Pit Bulls and they are beautiful docile dogs when trained and loved (as opposed to tormented and taught to fight). My parents little Fox terrier is the most intolerant little bitch you will meet. Sundae, GrimBley (our new kittie) is quickly training my two little ferel (kids) that he wont be taking no shit from them

05-13-2008, 11:19 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Oh sure, while I'm slaving over a hot board, you're out doing easy stuff, like having a baby. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-14-2008, 08:18 AM	#14
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh, I forgot how fucking stupid I am. Forgive me. Must learn to read...I just git mah information from the news shows. ET is my favorite. Jello. Truth is, it is in the breeding. You don't see a lot of the dog fight mongers throwing a golden into the ring, unless it's to watch it get ripped into pieces. Hopefully, you'll stay very lucky and never get one with an ounce of blood from fight-breeding. And in the course of quoting me, try to at least add a ~snip~ when taking things out of context. kthxbai Woof. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

05-15-2008, 07:37 AM	#15
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The problem isn't that 'dangerous' breeds are more likely to attack. The problem is in the nature of the attack if it does occur. A westie is probably just as likely to snap and go for a kiddie (I believe there was a case where a westie damn near took a baby's face off) which is why kids should never be left alone with dogs, regardless of the breed. The problem with the so-caled 'dangerous' dogs, is that on the occassions when attacks occur, whether because of mental instability or poor training, some dogs simply do more damage than others. Dogs bred for fighting, such as American Pit Bulls, or Japanese Akitas, once they attack are more likely to kill. Any dog can snap. Any breed can be a problem. Any breed of dog has examples of, well trained dogs and likewise examples of poorly trained dogs. The chances of a dog snapping are increased if the owner has raised it improperly. That said, even well trained and beautifully raised dogs have the capacity to snap in an instant. How many times have we heard the line "but it was a beautiful family dog."? I recall once reading about a Springer Spaniel who, after 9 years of being the beloved family pet, snapped and tore half the youngest child's face off. Why? Because it was prematurely senile. The little girl had stuck her face into the dogs for a cuddle and kiss and the dog responded instictively in a way it had never done before. The stuff in the press is unhelpful. It suggests that there are 'safe' breeds of dog. There is no such thing as an entirely safe, entirely trustworthy dog. Some breeds, however, when they attack, do so swiftly and without follow through: i.e, they bite. Others, if they attack, do so with totality, not stopping until they have killed the one they're attacking: usually these are breeds who have been bred specifically to fight. Usually, not always. I would no more trust a child alone with my bearded collie dog, than I would with a Rottweiler or an Akita.

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