Tiki Kon? Polynesians reached Americas ahead of Colombus

barefoot serpent · 06-07-2007, 12:44 PM

Thor Heyerdahl just had it bass-ackwards

Apparently, Polynesians reached the Americas in the 12th or 13th Century and not the other way around as Heyerdahl had conjectured. It will always be a cool adventure in my book, anyway.

Flint · 06-07-2007, 02:11 PM

There are also giant, unexplained stone sculptures of what appear to be African heads on the coast of Mexico.

glatt · 06-07-2007, 02:30 PM

No, silly. It was the Chinese who discovered America before Columbus. Those junks were very seaworthy compared to European vessels of the time.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2007, 05:41 PM

It would be fairly easy for Orientals to ride the Japanese current along the coasts to North and South America. But coming East to West would be quite a feat, as is from the Orient or Polynesia to Hawaii. You can't miss the Americas but Hawaii is a damn small target.

The National Geographic link I posted before, and this site, I found this morning, show the consensus of the migrations.

Beestie · 06-07-2007, 06:23 PM

The Vikings beat everybody here. Except the people that were already here.

TheMercenary · 06-07-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

The Vikings beat everybody here. Except the people that were already here.

Yea, the Mexican's were here before the Vikings. Now they apparently want it back.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2007, 09:50 PM

Well, the Irish Monk was here 400 years before the vikings.
And the Clovis dudes that came from Europe 18k to 20k years back and most likely Asians before that.
But what difference does it make?

Flint · 06-07-2007, 09:51 PM

The Irish Monk is an interesting case. No hard evidence (that I know of) but generally no reason to doubt it either.

I hear this talk that they keep finding Roman coins all over this Continent as well. Depends on how they were found I guess.

Beestie · 06-07-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But what difference does it make?

We need to agree on who we stole it from.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2007, 10:24 PM

It still doesn't make any difference, we took it from the Indians that were here when we got here. Anybody before them are moot. Does anybody in the world live on land that didn't belong to someone else in their history?

piercehawkeye45 · 06-07-2007, 10:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Col...ceanic_contact

xoxoxoBruce · 06-07-2007, 10:50 PM

An awful lot of speculation, unsubstantiated theories and tall tales. There was always the possibility of a boat load of anybody blowing in from the East or West. Pretty hard to prove anybody was sailing back and forth with any regularity and control, except probably the Polynesians.

06-07-2007, 12:44 PM	#1
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	Tiki Kon? Polynesians reached Americas ahead of Colombus Thor Heyerdahl just had it bass-ackwards Apparently, Polynesians reached the Americas in the 12th or 13th Century and not the other way around as Heyerdahl had conjectured. It will always be a cool adventure in my book, anyway. __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

06-07-2007, 02:11 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	There are also giant, unexplained stone sculptures of what appear to be African heads on the coast of Mexico. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-07-2007, 05:41 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It would be fairly easy for Orientals to ride the Japanese current along the coasts to North and South America. But coming East to West would be quite a feat, as is from the Orient or Polynesia to Hawaii. You can't miss the Americas but Hawaii is a damn small target. The National Geographic link I posted before, and this site, I found this morning, show the consensus of the migrations. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	The Vikings beat everybody here. Except the people that were already here. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

06-07-2007, 09:50 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Well, the Irish Monk was here 400 years before the vikings. And the Clovis dudes that came from Europe 18k to 20k years back and most likely Asians before that. But what difference does it make? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2007, 02:30 PM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	No, silly. It was the Chinese who discovered America before Columbus. Those junks were very seaworthy compared to European vessels of the time.

06-07-2007, 09:51 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	The Irish Monk is an interesting case. No hard evidence (that I know of) but generally no reason to doubt it either. I hear this talk that they keep finding Roman coins all over this Continent as well. Depends on how they were found I guess. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-07-2007, 10:24 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It still doesn't make any difference, we took it from the Indians that were here when we got here. Anybody before them are moot. Does anybody in the world live on land that didn't belong to someone else in their history? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-07-2007, 10:34 PM	#11
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Col...ceanic_contact

06-07-2007, 10:50 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	An awful lot of speculation, unsubstantiated theories and tall tales. There was always the possibility of a boat load of anybody blowing in from the East or West. Pretty hard to prove anybody was sailing back and forth with any regularity and control, except probably the Polynesians. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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