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Old 02-20-2020, 03:20 PM   #376
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A real fascist running a fascist government would do those things. A fascist trying to create a fascist government would denounce anyone preventing him from doing those things, fire people who interfered, when he could, and pressure people who he couldn't yet fire into resigning. And the primary criteria for their replacements in both cases would be personal loyalty to him.
This is what I was trying to say, and you did a better job of it.
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:26 PM   #377
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Out & out? You mean successful? Trump, try as he might, is not successful at being a fascist, in business, or getting the most votes.
I don't see the fascism (ain't nobody crapped in my hat), You wish you were as lousy a businessman, and he won the electoral (which ought to be revised, not dumped).

And: if America sucks so damn much, why is the big O tryin' so hard to take credit for the results of Trump's first term?
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:40 PM   #378
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A real fascist running a fascist government would do those things. A fascist trying to create a fascist government would denounce anyone preventing him from doing those things, fire people who interfered, when he could, and pressure people who he couldn't yet fire into resigning. And the primary criteria for their replacements in both cases would be personal loyalty to him.
Mebbe.

Another interpretation: a prez, tryin' to do the job he was hired to, facin' an array of opposition, might just fight back, exercisin' the powers of his office to cut dead weight; to excise folks unwilling to implement policy; to remove active dissenters from his employ; and to ensure he has 'wingmen'.

You see wanna-be fascism; I see common sense.
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:11 PM   #379
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And: if America sucks so damn much, why is the big O tryin' so hard to take credit for the results of Trump's first term?
Take credit? He pointed out that his second term (let alone his first) had more improvement than Trump's term.

I hate to put Obama and Fred Trump in the same analogy, but Trump was born on third base in both cases, and is claiming he hit a home run.
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:55 PM   #380
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Take credit? He pointed out that his second term (let alone his first) had more improvement than Trump's term.

I hate to put Obama and Fred Trump in the same analogy, but Trump was born on third base in both cases, and is claiming he hit a home run.
This guy...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ob...ong-2020-02-19

...sez both are fulla shit.

This guy...

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...aign=TWT+-+DSA

...gives Trump credit.

And other propagandists (the usual suspects) lean toward Barry.

Pick your poison.
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Old 02-20-2020, 07:24 PM   #381
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To the extent that presidents affect the numbers in question, Obama got better numbers. (Compared to what they started with)
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Old 02-20-2020, 07:53 PM   #382
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A real fascist running a fascist government would do those things. A fascist trying to create a fascist government would denounce anyone preventing him from doing those things, fire people who interfered, when he could, and pressure people who he couldn't yet fire into resigning. And the primary criteria for their replacements in both cases would be personal loyalty to him.
A narcissist just being a narcissist would act in exactly the same way. (Source: I worked for one)
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:31 PM   #383
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I agree, except for the word "just", and the implication that this refutes or dilutes fascism.
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:28 PM   #384
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(ain't nobody crapped in my hat)
Haven't gotten down to your level yet, wait till he's got a buddy or donor in your business and area, you'll be gone overnight.

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You wish you were as lousy a businessman
That motherfucker put so many small businessmen around here out of business by hiring them and not paying them, saying sue me. I know 2 of them. He should be castrated for the lives of honest working people he's ruined.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:38 AM   #385
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A real fascist running a fascist government would do those things. A fascist trying to create a fascist government would denounce anyone preventing him from doing those things, fire people who interfered, when he could, and pressure people who he couldn't yet fire into resigning. And the primary criteria for their replacements in both cases would be personal loyalty to him.
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Haven't gotten down to your level yet, wait till he's got a buddy or donor in your business and area, you'll be gone overnight.


That motherfucker put so many small businessmen around here out of business by hiring them and not paying them, saying sue me. I know 2 of them. He should be castrated for the lives of honest working people he's ruined.
Excellent broad view and the closeup of what's happening here.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:23 AM   #386
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How's this plan of name calling working out? It's kind of playing by his playground rules, isn't it? Yuh get swept up and pretty soon a thread about Democratic frontrunners is all about him. Because once again, it's all we can talk about.

Then at the end of three years of it, at the end of impeachment, near record and rising approval rating this morning.

James Carville said it last week: he basically said, we can win every argument on healthcare, drug prices, etc. why not have that argument instead of all this crap everyone's mired down in?
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:37 AM   #387
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aven't gotten down to your level yet, wait till he's got a buddy or donor in your business and area, you'll be gone overnight.

Well, I look up and I ain't seein' any authoritarian/fascistic hoopla goin' on either. And: I'm thinkin' my penny ante money makin' falls well outside the attention of the big boys with their machinations.


That motherfucker put so many small businessmen around here out of business by hiring them and not paying them, saying sue me. I know 2 of them. He should be castrated for the lives of honest working people he's ruined.

Mebbe Mike can teach 'em how to farm, or, they could learn to code.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:38 AM   #388
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That is no doubt true. The problem is with letting his activities be normalized.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:43 AM   #389
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why not have that argument instead of all this crap everyone's mired down in?
cuz inevitably such a conversation has to address the big fat fuckin' commie squattin' happy at the top of heap.

Nominate Bernie: lose (cuz a-muricah don't want no commie).

Nominate anyone else: lose (cuz all the commie dupes, sympathizers, and card carriers will stay home in November).

Much easier to just, chimp-like, throw crap at my employee.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:27 AM   #390
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This guy...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ob...ong-2020-02-19

...sez both are fulla shit.

This guy...

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...aign=TWT+-+DSA

...gives Trump credit.

And other propagandists (the usual suspects) lean toward Barry.

Pick your poison.
Or I could just look at the stock market and BLS graphs.
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