Sistine Chapel Ceiling

[quzah]

Originally posted by arz
Please don't fuck with my photos.

It was extremely uncool when NTN did it to another one of mine, but I kept my mouth shut that time. Not this time; I request that you remove your post.

You do realize just how incredibly stupid you are posting this, right? You also realize that your browser automaticly creates a copy of every single image you ever see, right? I mean, let's get real here, you do not actually get the "real version" of the image when you send an image some place.

As such, by linking it, you're automaticly handing everyone who loads the page a copy of said image. If I sit here and press F5 all day long, I'm creating myself as many copies of your image as I want to. Furthermore, there's nothing you can do about it.

Once you post it, you no longer have any control of it. Don't believe me? Post (insert random file here) to a P2P app, give it a day, and then try to take it back, or "unshare" it. You can't. You're screwed. Once someone has a copy of it, they can do whatever the hell they want to it, and you can't do jack to stop them.

Liken this to "leaked" movies. Once they're posted, nothing is going to stop it. It's out, it's no longer in your control.

Welcome to the real world. As it's been pointed out, used in parody, you really have no prayer.

Besides, does it really matter that it's "your picture"? Give me .5 seconds and Google and I can have infinite pictures to work from.

Consider:

You put up a big display on your lawn.
I set a huge mirror on my lawn, and paint on it.
You look out of your window, see the mirror on my lawn, which reflects your display, but now has things "painted on it".

What you're doing is like you getting mad in the above scenario because you don't like me mirroring your image and modifying it.

Except in this case, it would be like me then photographing my "modified" image, and then displaying it.

You still can't do shit about me and what I feel like doing to "your" picture.

All that having been said, the ceiling is hardly the most impressive portion of the Chapel. Take the whole picture in. Why do people gloss over the walls of the place? They all gaze up in awe. Sure, it's great, it's a ceiling. But check out the whole place. No one ever takes pictures of the walls.

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Alright, I can't leave this one alone. This is just stupid.

Ok, so you post a picture on the internet, and you expect nothing at all to happen to it? Were you drunk when you thought this up, or what's your excuse? Do you expect no one to say "Hey, that's cool, I want to make it a wall paper!" save, stick as background...

Or, "Hey, that background is cool, but let me resample it so it fits better." save, resample...

So you'd get mad there too? Or is there some special copyright we're supposed to mentally absorb from you when we see the image? "Oooh, Arz says we can view this, we can even save it as our wall paper, but no resampling.!" "Oh, we can even resample, but we can't do anything 'bad' to it." "Oh, we can do 'bad' things to it, as long as they're in good taste." "Oh, they can be in somewhat poor taste too, just not bad."

I mean come on here! This is just absurd. Fucking absurd.

I have to stop now, because I could go off on this all day long on how stupid you are.
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Quzah.

[dar512]

Originally posted by quzah

If I sit here and press F5 all day long, I'm creating myself as many copies of your image as I want to.

Not exactly. You're talking about the cache that most browsers use. The whole point of a cache is not to have to download multiple copies of something. It gets downloaded the first time. After that it is retrieved from the cache. So you can press F5 all day long, but you're only going to get one copy of the image.

I realize that this was not the main point of your post. Just wanted to correct the misconception.

[BrianR]

Sssssh! Don't get him started on technical details of the workings of browsers. We'll be here all day!

Brian

[quzah]

Originally posted by dar512

Not exactly. You're talking about the cache that most browsers use. The whole point of a cache is not to have to download multiple copies of something. It gets downloaded the first time. After that it is retrieved from the cache. So you can press F5 all day long, but you're only going to get one copy of the image.

I realize that this was not the main point of your post. Just wanted to correct the misconception.

It depends on your browser settings. Not that I'm using it, but let's take IE for example. Go into your options, and there's a little setting that tells it what to do when it goes to a page. Refresh every time, refresh once per visit, refresh never, something like that.

This also assumes you're using a cache. It's quite possible to not use a cache. With broadband, I really have no need for one, so were I to turn mine off, I wouldn't see much of a difference. Especially considering how much ram the average computer has. There's no need to disk cache it if there's ample room in ram to hold your current session.

Sssssh! Don't get him started on technical details of the workings of browsers. We'll be here all day!

Brian

Oops, too late.

Quzah.

[Leus]

Ok, there's a catch: an image can be seen as a stream of bytes, and under this definition you can argue that an image is different every time you open it in your computer (this will be true almost every time this binary stream is loaded into memory.) Also, if you change the file format (from JPG to PNG, for example) this binary stream will be entirely different, and most likely of a different size.

But you can't say an image is different just because of different meaning of storing/reading/showing it. An image is a representation, much like the letters you are reading right now are just a convention to represent ideas and concepts.

To resume the obvious, arz can safely claim that the copyright of this image belongs to him (her?.), but obviosly, that parody exception thing also apply.