How did you find The Cellar??? - Page 4

DanaC · 04-24-2004, 09:42 AM

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I opened a door which I thought led to a bathroom, and fell down these fucking stairs!

K now thats funny.

I was sent a link to here by a gaming friend. And I had no idea til I read this thread that undertoad was to blame :P for this place.

Undertoad · 04-24-2004, 10:11 AM

That's how it's spose to be

wolf · 04-24-2004, 11:25 AM

It's more kinda like he's responsible, we are to blame ...

DanaC · 04-24-2004, 11:58 AM

*nods sagely* I see yes, thats an interesting distinction

onetrack · 04-24-2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by Nothing But Net

What, if I may ask, is a tractor BB? Is that a tractor beam that attracts the opposite sex, like in Star Trek? A farm implement? A Daisy BB gun?

A tractor BB is for those strange people who have an obsession with tractors .. mostly old ones .. they invite some of the freakiest people around ..

Here's some ...

www.acmoc.org/Index.htm Antique Caterpillar crawlers ..
www.redpowermagazine.com International Farm tractors mostly ..
www.ibdozing.com Assorted construction equipment ..
www.allischalmers.com Allis-Chalmers wheeltractors and crawlers ..
www.ytmag.com Yesterdays Tractors .. all sorts of old farm tractors ..

DiscusWare make a really good BB program that you can purchase, set up yourself, and modify to your own tastes .. it's simple to use and I like it.
Here's the DiscusWare site with links to thousands of Discus BB's.

www.discusware.com

75,000 in total, according to them .. although I suspect a lot are poorly frequented.
The main users seem to be car freaks, tractor freak, boat freaks, bike freaks, with a smattering of other hobbies thrown in. Even found a Discus wife-swapping BB .. now THAT was interesting! ..

Dunno what advantage there is in wife-swapping, though .. unless you swapped a so-so wife, for a good tractor ..

YellowBolt · 04-24-2004, 09:29 PM

Someone's blog led me to an IOTD. I think it was the one with lots of storage crates in Korea.

LN · 05-12-2004, 10:55 AM

Uh, I did a google search for "castrated cat" or similar and came up with your image discussion of a sacrificial pig... yeah...

Hubris Boy · 05-15-2004, 01:13 AM

I think I stumbled over one of Tony's posts on /. and ended up here.

blue · 05-15-2004, 07:29 AM

Has the cellar ever been /.? This would probably kill your server, eh?

Tony, why exactly is it so expensive?

I realize what some of the costs are, but assume you have a T1 in place anyhow for business. As for bandwidth the cellar isn't all that graphical really and although it seems like there are loads of people here it's really small potatoes in terms of data flowing.

And if vBulletin wasn't free, it must have been a one time purchase long time paid for? Then you've got domain reg which shouldn't be more than $10 a year or so, no hosting fees because you have your own server. Is it a dedicated server? And if it is it wouldn't exactly have to be cutting edge.

I'm not trying to bust your chops here but am curious how something like this could cost so much? Now if you're including your TIME spent dealing with us crybabies, that's another matter.

Hubris Boy · 05-15-2004, 09:35 AM

I don't recall it ever being /.ed, but it's definitely been Farked.

Undertoad · 05-15-2004, 09:54 AM

It is a "sunk cost" of sorts a lot of the time, but it hasn't always been, and won't always be.

The very worst of it was circa 1994 when I bought it from its co-founder to keep it alive. The payments kept me in hock for a year as did the phone lines for 7 modems.

It can take a tenth of the T1 on really good days, all during the peak hours (weekday afternoons) and I am reselling that bandwidth to real, paying clients, so it doesn't have zero impact. More importantly, when there was filesystem corruption the other week it was located in Cellar files and impacted my other clients severely. It also attracts hacker/cracker attention (I was DOSsed once) and occasionally, undue traffic which impacts the whole business. So my best bet in the long run would be to isolate it from the rest of my activity, but that would co$t much more and have a huge time impact.

When there is extra money in it I send it to Google for advertising (as right now - do a search on "intelligent people" or "interesting pictures" - don't click on the ad or it will cost us $0.10) or Fark classifieds or anything else that appears to truly bring people.

As for /.ing, it has never been, but /.ing is not what it used to be since /. is not what it used to be.

As for vBulletin I bought an "owned" license in the beginning but will be "re-upping" soon and buying their "no copyright notice required" version, in order to graduate to version 3, and that will cost $150 all told. There are often these sorts of expenses and if it weren't for the charity of one particular Cellarite, whom I forget if they want to be anonymous about it, donations would cover probably half of them.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-15-2004, 10:02 AM

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As for bandwidth the cellar isn't all that graphical

That was pre-me and NBN.

jaguar · 05-15-2004, 10:05 AM

Roughly how much bandwidth does cellar burn through a month?

Undertoad · 05-15-2004, 10:10 AM

I've never done the programming/math to work that out, I just watch my MRTG graphs carefully.

jaguar · 05-15-2004, 10:11 AM

a day? Are we talking 1Tb? 100G 500G 10G? Ballpark?

04-24-2004, 11:25 AM	#48
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	It's more kinda like he's responsible, we are to blame ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-15-2004, 01:13 AM	#53
Hubris Boy Keymaster of Gozer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Patapsco Drainage Basin Posts: 471	I think I stumbled over one of Tony's posts on /. and ended up here. __________________ "Never understimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

05-15-2004, 07:29 AM	#54
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	Has the cellar ever been /.? This would probably kill your server, eh? Tony, why exactly is it so expensive? I realize what some of the costs are, but assume you have a T1 in place anyhow for business. As for bandwidth the cellar isn't all that graphical really and although it seems like there are loads of people here it's really small potatoes in terms of data flowing. And if vBulletin wasn't free, it must have been a one time purchase long time paid for? Then you've got domain reg which shouldn't be more than $10 a year or so, no hosting fees because you have your own server. Is it a dedicated server? And if it is it wouldn't exactly have to be cutting edge. I'm not trying to bust your chops here but am curious how something like this could cost so much? Now if you're including your TIME spent dealing with us crybabies, that's another matter. __________________ If you spot a tornado, always remember to point at it, yell "tornado!", and run like hell.

05-15-2004, 10:05 AM	#58
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Roughly how much bandwidth does cellar burn through a month? __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

05-15-2004, 10:11 AM	#60
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	a day? Are we talking 1Tb? 100G 500G 10G? Ballpark? __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-24-2004, 10:11 AM	#47
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's how it's spose to be

04-24-2004, 11:58 AM	#49
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	nods sagely I see yes, thats an interesting distinction

04-24-2004, 09:29 PM	#51
YellowBolt I lurk with the best of them Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: not close to philadelphia. :( well, not THAT close. Posts: 146	Someone's blog led me to an IOTD. I think it was the one with lots of storage crates in Korea.

05-12-2004, 10:55 AM	#52
LN Dog O'Nine Tails Join Date: May 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 20	Uh, I did a google search for "castrated cat" or similar and came up with your image discussion of a sacrificial pig... yeah...

05-15-2004, 09:35 AM	#55
Hubris Boy Keymaster of Gozer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Patapsco Drainage Basin Posts: 471	I don't recall it ever being /.ed, but it's definitely been Farked.

05-15-2004, 09:54 AM	#56
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It is a "sunk cost" of sorts a lot of the time, but it hasn't always been, and won't always be. The very worst of it was circa 1994 when I bought it from its co-founder to keep it alive. The payments kept me in hock for a year as did the phone lines for 7 modems. It can take a tenth of the T1 on really good days, all during the peak hours (weekday afternoons) and I am reselling that bandwidth to real, paying clients, so it doesn't have zero impact. More importantly, when there was filesystem corruption the other week it was located in Cellar files and impacted my other clients severely. It also attracts hacker/cracker attention (I was DOSsed once) and occasionally, undue traffic which impacts the whole business. So my best bet in the long run would be to isolate it from the rest of my activity, but that would co$t much more and have a huge time impact. When there is extra money in it I send it to Google for advertising (as right now - do a search on "intelligent people" or "interesting pictures" - don't click on the ad or it will cost us $0.10) or Fark classifieds or anything else that appears to truly bring people. As for /.ing, it has never been, but /.ing is not what it used to be since /. is not what it used to be. As for vBulletin I bought an "owned" license in the beginning but will be "re-upping" soon and buying their "no copyright notice required" version, in order to graduate to version 3, and that will cost $150 all told. There are often these sorts of expenses and if it weren't for the charity of one particular Cellarite, whom I forget if they want to be anonymous about it, donations would cover probably half of them.

05-15-2004, 10:10 AM	#59
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I've never done the programming/math to work that out, I just watch my MRTG graphs carefully.

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