Faith... to what/whom?

[perth]

Speaking of Buddha, do we have any Buddhists here?

[Radar]

Bigfoot must exist. I know there are no bigfoot bones, and no proof, but there are trees and rocks and mountains and only bigfoot could have made them so that proves he must exist. Look at the perfect shape of a pinecone and tell me there's no bigfoot to create it.

How else could we have trees and rocks and mountains if bigfoot didn't create them?

[jaguar]

I follow buddhist theory

[perth]

Jag, out of curiousity, from what I'fe read of Buddhism it seems to me that it's more of a philosophy than a religion. Is that accurate?

I imagine Christianity can be argued to be a philosophy as well, but the distinction I'm trying to make is that my understanding of Buddhism indicates that there is no faith in a diety required. That Buddha is treated as more of an enlightened man, deserving of admiration and respect, but no more so than any other "good" person.

[lookout123]

this is the only post i will enter on this thread and then i don't think i will ever read it again - because i really like most of what lumberjim says, but if you aren't aware TR - you are jumping up and down on LJ's asshole button.


here is my view: God exists. I believe in the trinity, I believe in salvation, I believe in the crucifixion and resurrection.

I believe - this means it is not proven. It is my FAITH.

something that requires faith by necessity isn't proveable or unproveable. if it was we'd look up the answer and say, "oh there it is." then it is no longer faith, it is knowledge.

I have faith in christ's redeeming blood. i have knowledge that this can't be proven during my life.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You cannot give empirical scientific proof of the existance of God.

Nonsense, I'm right here.

[Carbonated_Brains]

I just subscribe to the idea of a very elaborate deus ex machina..

[Radar]

Nonsense, I'm right here

And that proves there's a god because.......?


Some people just don't get it. Your existance doesn't prove there's a god. Pointing to a tree or a bird or even your central nervous system doesn't prove there's a god. That is no different than saying you can prove that people were put on earth by UFO Aliens because we're here. It's circular logic and holds no merit.

I have no "faith" in anything that can't be proven to exist. Introduce me to the being you call god and let me see him or her face to face and let me test this so-called diety. Then and only then will I believe there's a god. Don't point to a deed you attribute to god. Don't point to a footprint and claim it was made by God. Let me meet god and see him do something that only "god" can do and I'll have all the faith in the world. Until you do provide such evidence, the burden of proof rests squarely on the shoulders of the believers.

[wolf]

Belief is not provable. The moment you do it stops being faith and the bottom kind of falls out of religion.

[Undertoad]

I just subscribe to the idea of a very elaborate deus ex machina..

I think a lot of people have that: the faith that somehow, somewhere, there's gonna be a miracle that will get me out of all of this shit.

[Carbonated_Brains]

Radar, who shit on your muffin this morning?

Bruce was joking.

[Carbonated_Brains]

Undertoad, I was thinking that this morning while I was doing an inspection of a sewer, and I was 6 metres down a manhole.

Although perhaps I was thinking of "shit" in a slightly more literal sense.

[perth]

Originally posted by Radar
And that proves there's a god because.......?

Of course, one person has to fail to get the joke.

[Clodfobble]

I bet God gets all the jokes.

[perth]

Originally posted by Clodfobble
I bet God gets all the jokes.

I imagine Bruce could answer that one.