11/3/2003: Japanese dolphin kill - Page 5

coliano · 11-04-2003, 01:28 PM

Right you are xoxoxoBruce, thus the asterisk and the debateable comment. But that would be a whole other discussion now wouldn't it?

Just trying to stay somewhere close to the topic at hand.

RQuinn · 11-04-2003, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
It's interesting how one can have such great respect for animals and such little respect for fellow human beings.

Hear hear!

Personally, I'd eat anything, dog, dolphin, or human. But I've long since learned that people don't want to listen to someone like me, so I'll stay out of this.

OnyxCougar · 11-04-2003, 02:01 PM

I'd recommend it.

And since quzah can't debate without personal insults, I decided he's not worth debating with.

OnyxCougar · 11-04-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by coliano
Right you are xoxoxoBruce, thus the asterisk and the debateable comment. But that would be a whole other discussion now wouldn't it? Just trying to stay somewhere close to the topic at hand.

Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

kisrael · 11-04-2003, 02:08 PM

I think it is an uncommon but not hypocritical or self-contradictory to hold that human concern for an individual animal is what gives that animal value "worth" in the sense of whether it's ok to kill it or not.

That said, I think Dolphins are high enough up the intellgence and uniqueness chain that their killing on a large scale should give us pause. (I have a moral sense that uses "non-trivial uniqueness" as a rough measure of a creatures value, what the universe loses when that life is snuffed out. It sounds a little cold, but actually is a pretty morally defensible position I think.)

OnyxCougar · 11-04-2003, 02:09 PM

**ducks**

warch · 11-04-2003, 03:16 PM

ummmm...ducks....

DNK · 11-04-2003, 03:33 PM

Okay, ducks:

quzah · 11-04-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
I'd recommend it.

And since quzah can't debate without personal insults, I decided he's not worth debating with.

Translation: Since I have no counter-point to his points, I'll ignore them and pretend they don't exist. Just like you pretend it's OK because they raise cattle. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Quzah.

OnyxCougar · 11-04-2003, 03:54 PM

I think they're much prettier with the feathers on them.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-04-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by coliano
Right you are xoxoxoBruce, thus the asterisk and the debateable comment. But that would be a whole other discussion now wouldn't it? Just trying to stay somewhere close to the topic at hand.

Since I was responding to YOUR post, at the time it was the topic at hand. But since this thread has wandered all over the map just what the hell is the topic at hand now?
Japs wholesale killing of dolphins?
Japs eating dolphins?
Anybody eating any critters?
Raising vs hunting critters
Eating dumb vs smart critters?
Eating apples vs oranges?:p

OnyxCougar · 11-04-2003, 07:08 PM

Griff · 11-04-2003, 07:36 PM

You folks should be ashamed of yourselves. Those are obviously sharks...

Hermit · 11-05-2003, 12:16 AM

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Japan, to its shame, allows 22,275 of the intelligent marine mammals to be caugh

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fishermen pound on the water, causing waves that confuse the animals'

If they are so intelligent, why are they so easily confused? Why aren't they pounding on the boats confusing the people?

xoxoxoBruce · 11-05-2003, 03:23 AM

Of course, Hermit. Any critter that engages in recreational sex, has to be intelligent.

11-04-2003, 01:28 PM	#61
coliano Your last resort. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 10	Right you are xoxoxoBruce, thus the asterisk and the debateable comment. But that would be a whole other discussion now wouldn't it? Just trying to stay somewhere close to the topic at hand. __________________ ...maybe next time.

11-04-2003, 02:01 PM	#63
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	I'd recommend it. And since quzah can't debate without personal insults, I decided he's not worth debating with. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-04-2003, 02:08 PM	#65
kisrael Cantankerous Incantonator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 56	I think it is an uncommon but not hypocritical or self-contradictory to hold that human concern for an individual animal is what gives that animal value "worth" in the sense of whether it's ok to kill it or not. That said, I think Dolphins are high enough up the intellgence and uniqueness chain that their killing on a large scale should give us pause. (I have a moral sense that uses "non-trivial uniqueness" as a rough measure of a creatures value, what the universe loses when that life is snuffed out. It sounds a little cold, but actually is a pretty morally defensible position I think.) __________________ http://kisrael.com - quotes and links daily, worth the click

11-04-2003, 02:09 PM	#66
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11-04-2003, 03:33 PM	#68
DNK Thick skinned and I like (my wife's) Bush Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hotlanta, Ga Posts: 54	Okay, ducks: __________________ "Every man thinks his burden is the heaviest" Robert Nesta Marley

11-04-2003, 03:16 PM	#67
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	ummmm...ducks....

11-04-2003, 03:54 PM	#70
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	I think they're much prettier with the feathers on them. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

11-04-2003, 07:08 PM	#72
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11-04-2003, 07:36 PM	#73
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	You folks should be ashamed of yourselves. Those are obviously sharks... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-05-2003, 03:23 AM	#75
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Of course, Hermit. Any critter that engages in recreational sex, has to be intelligent. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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