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TheMercenary · 11-30-2010, 08:55 AM

This is becoming bigger news with a larger impact all the time so I thought I would start a dedicated post to it.

It looks like some major banks may be the next target of this idiot.

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...ulian-assange/

TheMercenary · 11-30-2010, 09:03 AM

Hopefully the will hunt him down.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112904326.html

Lamplighter · 11-30-2010, 09:09 AM

I'm impressed by this guy...
He seems to have a lot of experience and understands the benefits to what he is doing.
The last 3 or 4 pages of the interview are quite revealing, and I liked his final statement: "courage is contagious"

TheMercenary · 11-30-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I'm impressed by this guy...
He seems to have a lot of experience and understands the benefits to what he is doing.
The last 3 or 4 pages of the interview are quite revealing, and I liked his final statement: "courage is contagious"

You really support this guy? Please explain.

TheMercenary · 11-30-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I'm impressed by this guy...
He seems to have a lot of experience and understands the benefits to what he is doing.
The last 3 or 4 pages of the interview are quite revealing, and I liked his final statement: "courage is contagious"

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Assange, whose whereabouts are unknown, is wanted by Sweden internationally concerning allegations against him that include rape and sexual molestation.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101130/D9JQEI3O1.html

Are still impressed by him?

Lamplighter · 11-30-2010, 11:48 AM

Classic, see post # 14

But that's really not the main point.
The new media have been talking about leaks of State Dept materials, and the "spying" issue has been a major sub-topic.

The policy/directive to carry out the "spying" was a policy initiated by Sec of State Rice, and more recently continued by Sec of State Clinton.

TheMercenary · 11-30-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Classic, see post # 14

But that's really not the main point.
The new media have been talking about leaks of State Dept materials, and the "spying" issue has been a major sub-topic.

The policy/directive to carry out the "spying" was a policy initiated by Sec of State Rice, and more recently continued by Sec of State Clinton.

So what?

xoxoxoBruce · 11-30-2010, 11:53 AM

The more you know about the other players, on your team as well as the opposition, the better you can play.

classicman · 11-30-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Classic, see post # 14

Sorry missed that. I stand corrected. Bruce brought up Hillary.

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The policy/directive to carry out the "spying" was a policy initiated by Sec of State Rice, and more recently continued by Sec of State Clinton.

I don't know if it was started by Rice or simply continued by her. I believe that point was ambiguous when I first read it... I wouldn't be surprised if it was started by Rice and was precipitated by the 9/11 attacks.

Did you miss this question?

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Originally Posted by classicman

How many of those diplomats are going to be able to talk to other countries when they are now perceived as spies?

If it were you, would you go to some of those countries knowing they think you are a spy. Consider what they do to spies... Waterboarding would be like taking a vacation.

Lamplighter · 11-30-2010, 11:59 AM

Merc , I'm impressed by what the man has to say about his role in Wikileaks in the interview you posted.
I'm seeing him pretty much as a news reporter, and seems to have a lot of integrity about his role and sources.

Ad hominem attacks don't go very far for me, particularly
when it's alleged sexual misconduct that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

TheMercenary · 11-30-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Merc , I'm impressed by what the man has to say about his role in Wikileaks in the interview you posted.
I'm seeing him pretty much as a news reporter, and seems to have a lot of integrity about his role and sources.

Ad hominem attacks don't go very far for me, particularly
when it's alleged sexual misconduct that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

It is not an ad hominem attack. It is a fact the guy is wanted for questioning in a rape. It speaks to his charater. Or at least it should be suspect. And how you can call a person who is singlehandedly exposing stolen classified information of our government as having "a lot of integrity" in anything associated with this criminal act is beyond me.

He is not a news reporter. He has co-opted the various news organizations as a conduit to his illegal activity.

Lamplighter · 11-30-2010, 12:15 PM

Classic, that was the point the former diplomats were making about diplomats being seen as "spies".
Not so much the penalty (I think diplomats are usually deported) as the "trust" issue.
Thus my comments about Hillary should have known better than to approve the continuation of the policy/directive.

Stormieweather · 11-30-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It is not an ad hominem attack. It is a fact the guy is wanted for questioning in a rape. It speaks to his charater. Or at least it should be suspect.

No. It shouldn't say anything about his character unless he is found guilty of the crime. I could accuse YOU or anyone of anything...and it should not speak to your character...until solid facts are brought forth to support my accusation.

At least that's the way it's supposed to work in the US justice system. Innocent until proven guilty...blah blah blah.

classicman · 11-30-2010, 09:12 AM

So Lamp - you think what he is doing is a good thing?

Lamplighter · 11-30-2010, 09:28 AM

Yes. Just as I believe it takes an informed public to keep a democracy.

The vast majority of the "damage" done by whistle-blowers and leakers
has only been embarrassment or exposure of illegality.
As he says, those who want to keep secrets are the ones who set the penalties,
and some of those penalties are severe.
It takes a lot of courage to act in the face of those penalties.

11-30-2010, 08:55 AM	#1
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	WikiLeaks This is becoming bigger news with a larger impact all the time so I thought I would start a dedicated post to it. It looks like some major banks may be the next target of this idiot. http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...ulian-assange/ __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-30-2010, 09:03 AM	#2
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Hopefully the will hunt him down. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112904326.html __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-30-2010, 11:53 AM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The more you know about the other players, on your team as well as the opposition, the better you can play. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-30-2010, 09:12 AM	#14
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	So Lamp - you think what he is doing is a good thing? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-30-2010, 09:09 AM	#3
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	I'm impressed by this guy... He seems to have a lot of experience and understands the benefits to what he is doing. The last 3 or 4 pages of the interview are quite revealing, and I liked his final statement: "courage is contagious"

11-30-2010, 11:48 AM	#6
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Classic, see post # 14 But that's really not the main point. The new media have been talking about leaks of State Dept materials, and the "spying" issue has been a major sub-topic. The policy/directive to carry out the "spying" was a policy initiated by Sec of State Rice, and more recently continued by Sec of State Clinton.

11-30-2010, 11:59 AM	#10
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Merc , I'm impressed by what the man has to say about his role in Wikileaks in the interview you posted. I'm seeing him pretty much as a news reporter, and seems to have a lot of integrity about his role and sources. Ad hominem attacks don't go very far for me, particularly when it's alleged sexual misconduct that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

11-30-2010, 12:15 PM	#12
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Classic, that was the point the former diplomats were making about diplomats being seen as "spies". Not so much the penalty (I think diplomats are usually deported) as the "trust" issue. Thus my comments about Hillary should have known better than to approve the continuation of the policy/directive.

11-30-2010, 09:28 AM	#15
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Yes. Just as I believe it takes an informed public to keep a democracy. The vast majority of the "damage" done by whistle-blowers and leakers has only been embarrassment or exposure of illegality. As he says, those who want to keep secrets are the ones who set the penalties, and some of those penalties are severe. It takes a lot of courage to act in the face of those penalties.

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