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05-26-2009, 06:04 PM | #1 | |
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Indefinite Detention
Obama Endorses Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Some
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Bush according to many, broke the law by keeping these people at Gitmo for so long. Obama apparently wants to rewrite existing, or write new legislation so that this can be done "legally." Whaaat?
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05-26-2009, 07:41 PM | #2 |
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I can't get behind Obama on this one, but don't have a better solution. He inherited a mess, but he's keeping it going.
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05-26-2009, 08:09 PM | #3 |
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I dunno - Based upon what he said during the election, it would seem that he would be morally obligated to release those detainees who are not going to be tried. Politically and realistically he cannot. This seems like a very tight line to walk. I'm very surprised at this decision.
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05-26-2009, 08:47 PM | #4 |
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I see no other decision Obama can make without risking his image. As I said earlier, if a released Gitmo prisoner does commit a terrorist act on the United States, Obama is screwed.
Not to mention the fact that the potential terrorist could have initially been innocent.
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05-26-2009, 09:10 PM | #5 |
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So that same potentially innocent person is going to be incarcerated for...... ever???? That is on Obama, not Bush. I'm still amazed that the press isn't going crazy over this.
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05-26-2009, 09:31 PM | #6 |
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Media probably won't say anything. I'm sure their agenda sides with it.
From the moral standpoint, this is a situation where justice does and will not exist. Innocent lives were completely ruined and these prisoners will probably never be accepted back into mainstream society, which means they could follow paths that will lead to even more deaths. No punishment can undo what has been done even if the "guilty" are brought to justice. This also assumes the "guilty" (CIA or whoever) were guilty because I would not be surprised if they had bad information to begin with.
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05-26-2009, 09:32 PM | #7 |
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If a man of his conviction does something that appears contrary to his conviction then we should at least acknowledge the possibililty that he would prefer the burden of appearing to go back on his word rather than take the easy way out and explain his reasoning when so doing would make matters even worse.
Obama gets the benefit of the doubt from me on this one.
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05-26-2009, 09:48 PM | #8 |
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I agree with that but it seems that no one is going to take the risk of being wrong.
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05-27-2009, 09:28 AM | #9 | |
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He wants to close Gitmo, so he can abide by his pledge, but at what cost? What other implications of these "new laws" are there? This goes against the original principles of America justice. I'm certainly not a lawyer, but it seems like a new legal precedent is being set.
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05-27-2009, 09:47 AM | #10 |
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uh i think the current thinking is military tribunals
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05-27-2009, 11:41 AM | #12 |
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And plus, you know, an, uh, act of terror gets commited. Which isn't usually, like, loosening the tops of salt shakers.
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05-27-2009, 11:51 AM | #13 |
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It's on Obama AND Bush. And if anyone is still incarcerated without trial under the next president, it will be on them as well.
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05-27-2009, 12:11 PM | #14 |
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huh?
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05-27-2009, 12:13 PM | #15 |
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Man, if I burn the house down, my wife is gonna be pissed. Oh, and also, the house thing.
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