Washington Post has been particularly ridiculous this season

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I think they did not just themselves, but the whole world, a huge favor. No smoking gun required.

Smoking gun obviously existed - but was unknown to us all because a responsible press (ABC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, etc) did not have the story until after the fact

Israel did not waste time or money on trucks or planes delivering construction supplies. They did not waste money attacking corn fields to prove to Asad that they could.

Israel and Syria were still at war. Israel's attack was just one of many - and neither difficult nor challenging.

Israel asked a mental midget president (George Jr) to do it. But Cheney's puppet had subverted the US military on a useless war in Iraq, then recreated that war, while turning support from Iran against us, while all but surrendering to the Taliban, and then going back to fight that war all over again. America no long had necessary strength nor desire to be involved. Meanwhile, George Jr, et al had also created what was beginning to look like another Great Depression. In part because almost $3 trillion had been wasted only on Iraq - with zero success.

Part of that Syria problem - and this was noted in the Cellar repeatedly in the early 2000s - is traceable to Americans who so foolishly advocated and loved a $3 trillion war. And the deaths of 5000 American servicemen because a braggart was a threat to no one. America was already deeply involved with wars that would not exist had responsible (educated) leaders existed in Washington.

Israel took care of their problem when fatigue and a shortage of military capacity keep Americans from doing another stupid attack. Fatigue to keep Americans from doing something stupid?

Israeli did not act stupid - as America has with Sarin. Israelis took out a containment building; not irrelevant targets. Problem and the people who created a Sarin problem remain untouched and unthreatened. Infighting in The Donald's administration (resulting in a completely NSA shakeup) may also explain that stupid military decision.

Israelis did not stupidly attack trucks and planes. When using military force, the actual problem must be completely taken out. America did nothing to address a Sarin problem.

Sarin is no longer Israel, Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, or Lebanon's problem. It is now 100% America's problem. We simply jumped into more Middle East quicksand. Thanks to another president who is all about himself - not about America.

Reminds me of Nixon who massacred tens of thousands of Americans in a war he knew we would never win - to protect his legacy. Nixon did not want to be the first American president to lose a war. Soldiers apparently were expendable to Nixon, George Jr, and now Trump.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Smoking gun obviously existed - but was unknown to us all

I'm sorry, I was using your previous definition of "smoking gun", you know, the definition you've used for the last twenty-five years.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm sorry, I was using your previous definition of "smoking gun", you know, the definition you've used for the last twenty-five years.

So why do you still not get it?

If military force is used, it must be used massively, and even with disregard for human life so that the relevant item is destroyed. Embarrassing are so many so emotional as to confuse a 'big dic' attack on irrelevant items with a strategic objective.

Objective of that Syrian attack was intentionally avoided. They did not even take out fuel depots or munitions dumps. The Donald's $100 million attack could only be more trivial had he attacked corn fields.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Get you head out of your ass, this isn't World of Warcraft. They don't know where the gas is stored or where it's being made, it could be Mrs Murphy's kitchen. The only option was to knock out the air delivery system.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They don't know where the gas is stored or where it's being made,

View the satellite photos. Encircled are bunkers where planes were hit. Also pointed out were the fuel depot (not attacked), storage facility for Sarin (not attacked), all runways (not attacked), and where the Russians and their helicopters were located (far from any attacked bunker).

Get your head out of your intestines. Stop acting as ignorant as that cheapshot artist. Photos in numerous responsible press outlets showed all that only 24 hours after the expensive and irrelevant attack. Why do you know by ignoring satellite pictures even on the front page of newspapers?

What did The Donald not know? If he did not know where the Sarin was made, then he could of acted intelligent like Clinton - who delayed his attacks on Iraq until those locations were accurately identified. But that means The Donald would be patient - not knee jerk emotional.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh, did it have Sarin Storage Facility painted on the roof?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh, did it have Sarin Storage Facility painted on the roof?

Give intelligence people some credit. Don't act like Cheney.

How did Kennedy know those were immediate range nuclear missiles inside crates? You need not see Sarin to identify the equipment necessary to store and deploy it. Satellite photos identified Sarin gas storage facilities.

How did they know Sarin came from that base. It could have come from five other airfields? Give the intelligence community a little bit of credit.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

So why do you still not get it?

Because you changed the definition of "smoking gun" for your discussion of why Israel was allowed to bomb Syria's nuclear facility.

Can you see that yet? We have to agree on your definition or we can't move forward.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Because you changed the definition of "smoking gun" for your discussion of why Israel was allowed to bomb Syria's nuclear facility.

The smoking gun existed long ago. Israel and Syria were still 'technically' at war. Israel was periodically attacking Syria by air. That smoking gun existed long before concrete was poured. I guess that was not obvious. I thought it was.