Obama Care vs Republicans

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Cheney is the topic of talking heads this week because he has "authored" a book about his heart.

Ooh. That is news.


So Cheney has a heart. Who knew?

[Lamplighter]

Maybe they just slipped the transplant into his chest cavity,
and made stone soup from whatever it was that was there before.

[Adak]

The Republicans couldn't stop or even slow down Obamacare, but not to worry - the Democrats own incompetent website, which starts falling apart with as few as 200 calls at one time, has done it for them!

They can't make a web site that works, but they damn sure want to run our health care industry.

Oh yeah!

[henry quirk]

Adak,

I imagine -- after a little time and whole lotta bucks -- the on-line portal(s) will run just fine.

More's the pity…

[Adak]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Adak,

I imagine -- after a little time and whole lotta bucks -- the on-line portal(s) will run just fine.

More's the pity…

Of course. It will take some time, but it will get fixed. I have to laugh a bit at the irony of it all, but we need to give this Obamacare a thorough trial, at least.

Who knows if it could turn out, or be changed into something quite good or not?

That's why I wanted a pilot program of it - get the problems with it ironed out THERE, instead of on the national scale.

You sound like a young guy, and although it's rare, young guys do need some serious medical care from time to time. Traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for older teens, for instance. Band-aid plastic strips just won't do.

When I was in college, a fellow student had to drop out of a class. When the teacher asked why (he was a good student), he replied he had testicular cancer and would be getting treatments that would make him too sick to come to class.

And I lost two good friends when they were young - both to leukemia.

I know you're a bit of an anarchist, but even anarchists need a doctor from time to time.

[Lamplighter]

This is where the battle for the hearts and minds of the young people are being fought out...
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[Lamplighter]

California Healthline
Friday, October 25, 2013

House Holds Heated Hearing on Federal Exchange Website
<snip> House Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Rep. Fred

Upton (R-Mich.) criticized the contractors,
saying in September they "looked us in the eye and assured us
repeatedly that everything was on track, except that it wasn't" (Cohen, CNN, 10/24).

However, he added,
"This is more than a website problem.
The website should have been the easy part." Upton said,
"I'm also concerned about what happens next.
Will enrollment glitches become provider payment glitches?
Will patients show up at their doctor's office or hospital only
to be told that they aren't covered, or even in the system?

What if UFO's show up, will aliens be enrolled ?
What if Sasquatches show up, will they be treated ?
What if a Republican shows up... Oh, wait a minute, that's not likely.
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[Happy Monkey]

Should have been the easy part? It's the only part.

The website is the only part the law affected in that whole list. All of those things are managed by the insurer and the doctor/hospital, exactly as the did before the law. Either Upton is a moron, or he thinks everyone else is.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Adak

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The longer we wait to fix them, the worse the fixing will have to be.
We know that. Everybody knows that. But we can't get enough conservatives
in Washington, to get the fixing done! The Democrats won't touch it,
and the RHINO's won't either, but it needs to be FIXED!

*RHINO: Republican In Name Only.

Adak, I know you are enthusiastic about fixing the US, but this is going far too far ... even for you.

Texas Hunting Club Auctioning off Permit to Hunt Endangered Rhino

A Texas hunting group is auctioning off a permit to shoot and kill
one of the most endangered animals in the world: a black rhino.

The Dallas Safari Club, an international organization of hunters and wildlife enthusiasts,
said they plan to auction off a permit to hunt an endangered black rhino from
the government of the Republic of Namibia.

But conservation groups said that the club's claim that the hunt
will actually benefit the species was based on faulty logic.

Actually, I think another article may have gotten it right about
the old grey-haired ones in the herd...

By removing these older males from the population,
you get an increase in the production of calves.
Younger males are able to impregnate the females that are
in that area so you get more offspring than from some of these older males."

I didn't even know there were that many Blacks in the GOP.
They are so few, they must all be Rinos.
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Oh... wait, don't tell me.
You mean Rino's and the Dallas Safari Club wants to kill a....

Never mind.

[henry quirk]

"we need to give this Obamacare a thorough trial"

Like we have a real choice in the matter.

Please understand: I have no objection to the plan itself...it may work as well or better than its proponents think it will...I object only to the mandatory nature of it.

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"*You sound like a young guy"

51 years young.

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"even anarchists need a doctor from time to time"

Sure...and, when I do, that's my problem, not yours...can't see a good reason why you should absorb a dime of my medical expenses.









*I take a small offense to this...in my experience, nowadays, it's the young who want each and every one bound tightly to each and every other...me: old and mean, wants to widen the distance...oldsters who celebrate the supposed virtues of 'community', in my experience, have yet to grow up

[Adak]

I like to spell the RINO's "RHINO", because they both like to wallow in the mud so much, and it has the correct pronunciation, with the long 'i'.

When you see what the medical expenses are, you'll know why medical insurance is needed. The insurance providers negotiate expenses with the hospitals, etc. - but if you have no insurance, you have no negotiation, and they stick it to you royally, with the highest and most outrageous expenses, you could ever imagine. Highway robbers are envious of them, believe me.

And yeah, you're a youngster!

[henry quirk]

"When you see what the medical expenses are, you'll know why medical insurance is needed."

No doubt...again: I object to mandates, not insurance itself.

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"if you have no insurance, you have no negotiation, and they stick it to you royally"

Not (always) true.

In my experience: insurance sometimes is the reason for charging 'more' and paying cash sometimes imposes a certain frugality on the part of treatment provider and receiver, both.

How the system is used and abused depends on the players involved and what each is willing to do as much, as the bureaucratic pathways.

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"you're a youngster!"

Then, you sir, must be old as dirt...

[infinite monkey]

A sort of tangent/agreement to the 'charging more' claim above.

My teeth fiasco would have cost me about 3600 dollars, if'n I'd had dental insurance still. That would've cost me 1800 out of pocket, as it did before. With discounts for not having insurance it cost me ~2500. So it's true: they would charge more if I had insurance knowing insurance would pick up some costs.

Now how does that make sense?

[Lamplighter]

It may not make sense, but better for the dentist to get paid the
lesser amount than to loose more turning it over to a bill collection agency

Or, maybe it's sort of like getting a 10% discount for being a member
of AAA, AARP, etc.... just good PR.

[infinite monkey]

lamp: as I'm studying medical coding I'm starting to see some of the incentives for healthcare providers to do things a certain way. It's really confusing to me right now, but I'm just getting through the first couple chapters/basics.

And the irony is: drumroll please...if I HAD the dental insurance I would still be employed. IF I were still employed I wouldn't have my PERS paid out. IF I didn't have my PERS paid out I wouldn't have been able to afford 1800 out of pocket and would've have been in debt again (like last time, and that almost killed me) but since I'm unemployed and I have the PERS I wrote a check.

Weird, is all