China wrecked the Copenhagen deal

[Shawnee123]

yeah, but when it comes to dangerous metals in children's toys, YOU GUYS ARE DA MAN! Woot woot!

[aliasyzy]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

You can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor.

then American people could be a role-model for other developed and developing countries first and lower your material life quality to 1/2 or even less?

[aliasyzy]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

yeah, but when it comes to dangerous metals in children's toys, YOU GUYS ARE DA MAN! Woot woot!

don't be happy too soon. I just don't have time to answer each and every of these nonsense. maybe weekend.

gotta go to sleep, bye

[classicman]

Ok, Goodnight my Chinese Emma.

[Shawnee123]

Maybe they'll start manufacturing senses of humor.

[Undertoad]

China took a primary role in scuttling Copenhagen, but one can hardly blame them. It was going to be scuttled somewhere. China is simply the party with the most to lose at this moment in time, and the most willing to take a hard stance.

We notice that Communism is a source of pollution. In the 80s, the worst-polluted rivers of the world were to be found in eastern Europe. Today, they are all found in eastern China. India is the exception to this rule, but of course India has its own societal problems.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by aliasyzy

BTW: Chinese Government propagandas but it's very poor at this sophisticated skill, so i don't think i will swallow any of it.

You don't have to swallow, you've been steeped in it every day of your life.

This is what you get for shopping at walmart, people.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by aliasyzy

then American people could be a role-model for other developed and developing countries first and lower your material life quality to 1/2 or even less?

Yea but then China would go bankrupt. So would Walmart.

[aliasyzy]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You don't have to swallow, you've been steeped in it every day of your life.

This is what you get for shopping at walmart, people.

Could you do something decent except these little tricks to support your statement that America helps a lot in Copenhagen and China wrecked it.

I used to think that Americans have a more open view than people in other countries. I was wrong, at least partially. But it's your business after all. Just stay in your hallucination as long as you are satisfied.


Why Copenhagen didn't work out? You guys can find your answers in this post. None of you is willing to face the core of the problem. You keep blaming others for irrelevent minor things in order to cover up your unwillingness to really do something.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by aliasyzy

Why Copenhagen didn't work out? You guys can find your answers in this post. None of you is willing to face the core of the problem. You keep blaming others for irrelevent minor things in order to cover up your unwillingness to really do something.

IRONY ALARM! IRONY ALARM!

For almost all of the major and upcoming economic powers, it is not in their perceived best interest to limit their fossil fuel use. That means, every major and upcoming economic power will blame others and try to avoid attention to their own faults. Both China and the US do this along with many other countries.

It is obvious that China, along with other countries, wrecked any hopes of getting something meaningful done in Copenhagen. The US has ruined past attempts and I don't believe by any means that they are fully committed to anything binding. I may be wrong but that is my personal thoughts.

But either way, climate change is an issue about power. Whichever country is the most dependent on fossil fuels and has the most political influence will ruin any attempts at binding agreements. In the past it was the US, now, the torch is being passed over to China.

[classicman]

Stop with the common sense PH - What the heck is wrong with you. C'mon its all Bush's fault and by extension America.

Originally Posted by classicman

Stop with the common sense PH - What the heck is wrong with you. C'mon its all Bush's fault and by extension America.

Its not all Bush's fault.....just some of it.

But the US Supreme Court smacked him down in 2007 when it ruled the Bush EPA improperly applied the Clean Air Act when it purposefully refused to implement the intent of the law and even went further to prevent states from regulating greenhouse gas emissions.

[classicman]

sighhhhhhhhhh

Originally Posted by classicman

sighhhhhhhhhh

Wouldnt be necessary if you didnt raise the "blame it on Bush" bullshit.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

IRONY ALARM! IRONY ALARM!

For almost all of the major and upcoming economic powers,
it is not in their perceived best interest to limit their fossil fuel use.
That means, every major and upcoming economic power will blame
others and try to avoid attention to their own faults.
Both China and the US do this along with many other countries.
<snip>
But either way, climate change is an issue about power.
Whichever country is the most dependent on fossil fuels and has the
most political influence will ruin any attempts at binding agreements.
In the past it was the US, now, the torch is being passed over to China.

This seems an appropriate place to insert this link to some light, but important,
reading and pictures about a tiny little place where world events is playing out.
K Street in DC is in the middle of a long, drawn out, law suit over this area.

It is a long, "coffee table" sort of article about a small group of Fillipino soldiers
living on a grounded, derelict ship ostensibly keeping China at bay.
If/when China makes their move, the first response will be:

" We Surrender "


NY Times
10/27/13
By Jeff Himmelman
Photographs and video by Ashley Gilbertson
Produced by Mike Bostock, Clinton Cargill, Shan Carter,
Nancy Donaldson, Tom Giratikanon, Xaquín G.V.,
Steve Maing and Derek Watkins

A Game of Shark
And Minnow