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12-06-2011, 10:55 AM | #1 | |
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I had a couple of really good friends through my gaming guild who were mormons. Years ago, but they were lovely people.
I don't really see them as being that diffferent to many other Christian denominations. I remember having a conversation once with Talon (one of the mormons) about the notion in their reading of creation, that the tribe that turned from God and were cast out and marked by black complexion were the origins of black people... I considered that racist. He considered it ancient history. Since his wife was a black lass it seemed unlikely he saw that history as in any way relevant to his world today.
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12-06-2011, 11:19 AM | #2 |
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Gays have just as much right to go through a shitty divorce as everyone else.
LIke marriage is so special and unattainable and hard to do. People hop from one to another like they're riding the rails to PerfectLand. Pffffft. *shrugs* |
12-06-2011, 11:52 AM | #3 |
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Gah - communication breakdown ...
To some, marriage is a religious contract, a civil union is not. Essentially the same, but without that one element. Is it right, fair, just... not the issue. All I am saying is that some do not view the two as equal with respect to the religious component and that is a BIG difference to those people. I am not saying they cannot nor should not have all the same benefits, just that the two terms have different meanings to some.
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If marriage is a "religious contract", then should it be a matter of federal law providing for - or protecting - some citizens, but not others? If one agrees that separate is not equal, then the "civil unions" are only the current step in the direction of equal civil rights for everyone. Anyone believing they are equal, essentially owns the burden of proof to justify and to rectify each and every instance of inequality. It would be easier to change the word "marriage" throughout our laws to mean only the religious contract within any given religion, and to have all legal aspects of "marriage license" changed to words meaning something akin to "civil union". In any case, whether one believes a candidate will separate his "religion" or beliefs from his "elected office" is simply a matter of each person's own judgment of the candidate... no rules to be followed, just personal perception. Isn't it odd that we don't usually even consider such an issue with a candidate whose religion is similar to our own. . Last edited by Lamplighter; 12-06-2011 at 01:09 PM. |
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I wasn't directing toward you, c-man. It was really just an off-handed comment on my part.
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12-06-2011, 08:22 PM | #7 |
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If they mean the same thing, then why would the government have one word for straight marriage and another for gay marriage?
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Whoa, back up a sec. You just equated "civil union" with "gay marriage"
Civil marriages are not sanctioned under religious law, marriage is. Thats the difference I was referring to. If you have an issue with the government ask your representative, I have.
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NO IT IS NOT! FERFUXACHE - ARE YOU BLIND?
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12-06-2011, 11:53 PM | #11 |
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The way you two are going on ... are you married to EACH OTHER?
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What's the difference, from the government's perspective? People married by a justice of the peace are currently married, from the government's perspective, without any religious sanction. Under the regime of a politician who supports civil unions but not gay marriage, gays married by a church would still get a civil union.
So, again, I ask you. What's the difference, from the government's perspective, between marriage and civil union? If there's no difference, then there's no need for different words. If there is a difference, then it's discrimination.
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12-06-2011, 09:34 PM | #15 |
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In France, they brough in Civil Unions to appease the gay lobby, or so they thought.
Last I heard, around 30% of heterosexual couples were getting civil unions and bypassing the Church completely. Naturally the Churchy-types freaked. ALL marriages should be civil unions. Anyone wishing to do a church ritual is free to do so, but this should be irrelevant to the legal status of the union.
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