Machines - Page 52

Happy Monkey · 06-25-2020, 12:41 PM

Look up "cobblestone road construction".

xoxoxoBruce · 06-27-2020, 10:24 PM

I'm a little wary of this rig. Maybe on level ground but I think I'd put outriggers on it anyway.

Diaphone Jim · 06-28-2020, 01:39 PM

I saw one like it recently and liked it.
Gotta watch the center of gravity to avoid the Porsche prob of a week or so ago.

Gravdigr · 07-04-2020, 10:43 PM

This shit is bananas:

xoxoxoBruce · 07-04-2020, 11:08 PM

Looks like it cuts it off at the end too. The pieces of tubing are part of the design of something so the know all the lengths, radius of the bends and the angles, and probably on a drawing somewhere. So all they had to do is build this two stage machine. Stage one to read the drawing and stage two bend the tubing. Still has to have a human there with rag in hand to grab the piece when the machine cuts it off to precisely the right length.

Check this out the video of this guy working on an old car. The video is basically boring but he runs into a clearance problem with a spark plug socket. At about 14:00 he solves the problem in the most dangerous way I can think of.

Diaphone Jim · 07-05-2020, 11:28 AM

Grav: No crimps!
Bruce: "Boring" is generous. I don't have a power wrench, but if I did, I would not use it on plugs.

Gravdigr · 07-05-2020, 12:49 PM

JFC, dude! Just remove the head bolt.

Geez, how hard can ya make something?!

xoxoxoBruce · 07-06-2020, 01:03 AM

Taking out a head bolt can be tricky. One, the spark plug might be in the way.

Also head bolts usually have a torquing order and may be torque to yield bolts that can't be reused.
I'd have chucked it up like he did but taken it down with a portable grinder.
Even a file or coarse sandpaper would have been safer.

Gravdigr · 07-06-2020, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Taking out a head bolt can be tricky. One, the spark plug might be in the way.

What you did there, I see it.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-14-2020, 04:42 AM

These have been around for more than twenty years and nobody I know ever heard of them.

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Diaphone Jim · 07-14-2020, 12:15 PM

There are so many things wrong with the concept, the ad and the video, it makes my head spin.
They need to disappear for another 20 years.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-14-2020, 11:27 PM

What's wrong with the concept, I think it's a great idea. My concern is if it works reliably enough to be trusted.
There is no ad, and the guy who made the video has no connection with the company, just one of those hundreds of Utubers making entertainment.

They do a cost analysis showing the savings on selected applications.

- http://www.smartbolts.com/wp-content...ayJune2011.pdf

Diaphone Jim · 07-15-2020, 02:39 PM

The top part of your post is indeed an ad.
The video has some strange ways of testing and, even if the bolt has been sacrificed for the explanation, it hurts me to see it clamped by its threads in a vice.
I do not use either the break off at torque or the machining routine.
I don't see the strength spec of the colored bolts, but they are 12 times the cost of regular Grade 8's.
I really don't want the grade 8's holding my wheels on, my third member secure or my cylinder head tight with whatever those are with a hole drilled down the middle to install the stretchy part.
The cost of my torque wrenches are probably currently in the ranges of less than a penny per use.
I can't say there might not be a good place for them, but I don't have one.
So there, now we are equally grouchy.

BigV · 07-15-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim

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So there, now we are equally grouchy.

Bold words my friend, bold words.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-16-2020, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim

The top part of your post is indeed an ad.

No it is not. I'm quite sure be cause I made that from information I gathered and put together to email to some people who would be interested and I kiddingly accused of holding out on me.

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The video has some strange ways of testing and, even if the bolt has been sacrificed for the explanation, it hurts me to see it clamped by its threads in a vice.

How else would you find out how it works besides cutting it open? Worrying about the threads is like worrying the medical examiner doing the autopsy will pull the stiffs hair.

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I can't say there might not be a good place for them, but I don't have one.

The cost analysis shows not all applications warrant the high cost. Also different applications of the same size bolt often call out different torques so I doubt you'll find these in a hardware store.

06-25-2020, 12:41 PM	#1
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06-27-2020, 10:24 PM	#2
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07-04-2020, 10:43 PM	#4
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07-04-2020, 11:08 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Looks like it cuts it off at the end too. The pieces of tubing are part of the design of something so the know all the lengths, radius of the bends and the angles, and probably on a drawing somewhere. So all they had to do is build this two stage machine. Stage one to read the drawing and stage two bend the tubing. Still has to have a human there with rag in hand to grab the piece when the machine cuts it off to precisely the right length. Check this out the video of this guy working on an old car. The video is basically boring but he runs into a clearance problem with a spark plug socket. At about 14:00 he solves the problem in the most dangerous way I can think of. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-05-2020, 12:49 PM	#7
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	JFC, dude! Just remove the head bolt. Geez, how hard can ya make something?! __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

06-28-2020, 01:39 PM	#3
Diaphone Jim Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,122	I saw one like it recently and liked it. Gotta watch the center of gravity to avoid the Porsche prob of a week or so ago.

07-05-2020, 11:28 AM	#6
Diaphone Jim Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,122	Grav: No crimps! Bruce: "Boring" is generous. I don't have a power wrench, but if I did, I would not use it on plugs.

07-06-2020, 01:03 AM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Taking out a head bolt can be tricky. One, the spark plug might be in the way. Also head bolts usually have a torquing order and may be torque to yield bolts that can't be reused. I'd have chucked it up like he did but taken it down with a portable grinder. Even a file or coarse sandpaper would have been safer. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-14-2020, 04:42 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	These have been around for more than twenty years and nobody I know ever heard of them. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-14-2020, 12:15 PM	#11
Diaphone Jim Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,122	There are so many things wrong with the concept, the ad and the video, it makes my head spin. They need to disappear for another 20 years.

07-14-2020, 11:27 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What's wrong with the concept, I think it's a great idea. My concern is if it works reliably enough to be trusted. There is no ad, and the guy who made the video has no connection with the company, just one of those hundreds of Utubers making entertainment. They do a cost analysis showing the savings on selected applications. - http://www.smartbolts.com/wp-content...ayJune2011.pdf __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-15-2020, 02:39 PM	#13
Diaphone Jim Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,122	The top part of your post is indeed an ad. The video has some strange ways of testing and, even if the bolt has been sacrificed for the explanation, it hurts me to see it clamped by its threads in a vice. I do not use either the break off at torque or the machining routine. I don't see the strength spec of the colored bolts, but they are 12 times the cost of regular Grade 8's. I really don't want the grade 8's holding my wheels on, my third member secure or my cylinder head tight with whatever those are with a hole drilled down the middle to install the stretchy part. The cost of my torque wrenches are probably currently in the ranges of less than a penny per use. I can't say there might not be a good place for them, but I don't have one. So there, now we are equally grouchy.

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