6/23/2003: Bloody antler trade

[Undertoad]

I'm sure we would have heard more about it if that suggestion came to anything.

[juju]

Originally posted by bmgb
Don't forget you have to feed the cow... 2500 pounds of grain to raise a cow for slaughter. How many insects do we have to murder just to produce this grain, to feed an animal... to produce "food" that really isn't that useful to humans (albeit tasty to many)?

And what about all that poor grain? What, animals have rights, but plants don't? That's pretty freaking prejudiced if you ask me. Yeah, those vegetarians really "care".

[bmgb]

Originally posted by juju

And what about all that poor grain? What, animals have rights, but plants don't? That's pretty freaking prejudiced if you ask me. Yeah, those vegetarians really "care".

The Dictators do a song called, "Plant Killer," about people like me. My "friend" likes to point at me and sing along with it too. But the truth is everybody eats plants (I don't care what kind of hardcore carnivore you are). Humans NEED to eat plants to survive. I'm sure of this. Meat is unnecessary, and it is a luxury for the minority of the planet's human inhabitants.

You miss the point of my post entirely. I do my part for all that "poor grain" by not contributing to the waste of it on livestock. Ultimately, I consume a lot less of that grain than you do.

Whether animals have rights is another debate all together (I mean, an animal doesn't understand the concept of "rights" because that's a human concept.)

[Undertoad]

Those four pointy teeth we have say we're omnivores by design, built to be able to rip and rend flesh. Being able to live well without using meat as a protein source is the true luxury, a testament to our adaptability as a species.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I think having a meat bag to predigest all that icky grain is a true luxury. HEY COW! Peel me a grape.

[bmgb]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I think having a meat bag to predigest all that icky grain is a true luxury. HEY COW! Peel me a grape.

Mmmm, meat bag... :p

[bmgb]

Originally posted by Undertoad
Those four pointy teeth we have say we're omnivores by design, built to be able to rip and rend flesh. Being able to live well without using meat as a protein source is the true luxury, a testament to our adaptability as a species.

Well, that's arguable... barely. The human body may be equipped to eat insects and possibly small fowl, but not much more than that.

As far as "adapting as a species," I think the most adapting we've done is migrate to colder climates and learn how to kill and cook species that are BIGGER than us, simply out of necessity. The human species survived and grew bigger and stronger because of it. That's adaptability.

[modernhamlet]

Originally posted by bmgb


Well, that's arguable... barely. The human body may be equipped to eat insects and possibly small fowl, but not much more than that.

Huh? While I agree that we may have gone overboard with the meat eating nowadays, due to the fact that we have no further external competition, no predators, no real threats as a species... make no mistake. We came from omnivores and we've always been omnivores.

<img src="http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/media/corel/chimp.jpg">

<img src="http://www.admin.northpark.edu/dkoeller/Classes/Images/Hunting.GIF">

$0.02 added.

[bmgb]

Originally posted by modernhamlet


Huh? While I agree that we may have gone overboard with the meat eating nowadays, due to the fact that we have no further external competition, no predators, no real threats as a species... make no mistake. We came from omnivores and we've always been omnivores.

Chimp looks happy. Must've just had a banana. :p

Actually, I haven't done much reading on it, but I think what I read was that chimps do hunt (although I don't know how), and that meat (mostly other species of monkeys) makes up 3% of their diet. And I think chimps are the only species of the great apes to eat meat on a regular basis, but I'm not sure.

The second picture is a good illustration of what I said in my last post... a lot changed when humans picked up bows and arrows.

[russotto]

Originally posted by bmgb
How many insects do we have to murder just to produce this grain, to feed an animal... to produce "food" that really isn't that useful to humans (albeit tasty to many)?

Nonsense. Cow is quite useful to humans, it's packed with nutrients. Unlike, say, celery, which is largely indigestible fiber.

[bmgb]

Originally posted by russotto


Nonsense. Cow is quite useful to humans, it's packed with nutrients. Unlike, say, celery, which is largely indigestible fiber.

Yeah, there is no defense for celery.

[juju]

Gorillas eat nothing but leaves all day. If you want to be like them, go ahead. They're lethargic and lay around all day because they don't have any energy. They also eat their own poop, so as to give the leaves a second round through their digestive system.

If we all become vegetarians, we may well eat our own poop in 100,000 years. Think about it.

[Undertoad]

I'd like to apply that to other arguments. "Issuing unconstitutional Executive Orders will eventually lead to us all eating our own poop!"

[wolf]

Originally posted by bmgb


Yeah, there is no defense for celery.

Rushing to the side of the celery, wolf springs forth and shouts:

It holds the peanut butter or cream cheese pretty well .. doesn't slop off the sides or nothin'.

And it's a really good transport device to the mouth for the bleu cheese that comes with the hot wings.

You stop dissin' the celery!!

[xoxoxoBruce]

If we all become vegetarians, we may well eat our own poop in 100,000 years.

Naw, solient(sp) green.

Celery is a untensil that doesn't have to be washed. Something to be said for that.