Why California Sucks Ass!!! - Page 6

Sundae · 07-20-2008, 09:52 AM

I like this!
Let me know when it's officially a meme and I'll join in.

Radar · 07-20-2008, 11:24 AM

I was a winner before, during, and after I ran for office. I accomplished all of my goals of running a successful information campaign.

I never planned on winning the office. That would be impossible given the circumstances and the district demographics.

Before 1913, Americans didn't pay income taxes, but guess what? We had paved roads. We had a legislature. We had a military, etc.

Claiming toll roads isn't a feasible solution only shows that you know little to nothing about the subject and haven't dedicated any actual thought to the subject...much like every other subject, especially with regard to Israel and the middle-east.

I love how you think it's wrong for the people who use a service to pay for it, and for those who don't use it to be exempt from paying for it. It shows how irrational you truly are.

classicman · 07-20-2008, 11:59 AM

:speechless:

Undertoad · 07-20-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

It grants government certain powers and those include ROADS.

But only Post roads, right?

Sundae · 07-20-2008, 12:55 PM

Post roads!
Post roads!

jinx · 07-20-2008, 01:00 PM

Post exclusive roads? Or enough roads to get the mail thru (which pretty much covers everywhere most people want to go)?

Radar · 07-20-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Post exclusive roads? Or enough roads to get the mail thru (which pretty much covers everywhere most people want to go)?

I get my mail at my house. In order for the postal service to deliver mail to my house, a road must be built. This means that all roads are post roads because they all lead to some address.

As far as the original intent of the founders, they intended for people to get their mail. A postal road back then was a road to connect post offices so mail could be delivered between them. Since then, the postal service has changed a bit, and delivers to a lot more places. It's up to the fed to make sure there's a road everywhere that mail is delivered.

classicman · 07-20-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I get my mail at my house. In order for the postal service to deliver mail to my house, a road must be built. This means that all roads are post roads because they all lead to some address.

And that you should contribute to them - ie: pay taxes.

Radar · 07-20-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

And that you should contribute to them - ie: pay taxes.

It's called postage stamps and gasoline tax. I pay for both of them.

Undertoad · 07-20-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I get my mail at my house. In order for the postal service to deliver mail to my house, a road must be built. This means that all roads are post roads because they all lead to some address.

As far as the original intent of the founders, they intended for people to get their mail. A postal road back then was a road to connect post offices so mail could be delivered between them. Since then, the postal service has changed a bit, and delivers to a lot more places. It's up to the fed to make sure there's a road everywhere that mail is delivered.

Let's work from Answers.com since the Wikipedia entry lacks one crucial aspect of post roads. (Once the W is not so slow, I may improve the entry.)

http://www.answers.com/topic/post-roads

Mail routes between New York and Boston took shape in the late seventeenth century. These roads traced routes that became great highways and are still known as the post roads. The Continental Congress began creating post roads during the revolutionary war.

Okay, fine, but why use the term "post roads" and not just simply "roads"?

To designate a highway as a post road gave the government the monopoly of carrying mail over it; on other roads, anybody might carry the mail.

Huh! So that's the original understanding of the term, when the C was written: Post roads provide a monopoly on mail on those roads to the Feds. That was the understood meaning all along, and during the 1800s they began converting regular roads to "post roads". These were and remain roads that the Feds did not build and did not maintain. But they became "post roads". And even the rivers:

Steamboat captains also carried letters and collected the fees for them, until in 1823 all navigable waters were declared to be post roads, which checked the practice.

Day-um! And that was what they did during the period you say was "free". Gawrsh!

Private letter-carrying companies after 1842 did much house-to-house mail business in the larger cities; but the postmaster general circumvented them in 1860 by declaring all the streets of New York, Boston, and Philadelphia to be post roads.

Through your interpretation you've just prevented all private mail delivery. Nice goin', genius.

Undertoad · 07-20-2008, 02:40 PM

That's a question that was answered by the Courts in the late 1800s, but I'm sure Radar will have the correct answer for us through divination of the meaning as originally written. We wait.

smoothmoniker · 07-20-2008, 04:26 PM

All court interpretations are meaningless. Just read the plain sense of the document, stupid sheeple!

Sundae · 07-20-2008, 05:38 PM

Everyone should live in the way they did when the Constitution was written. Then it can be accepted for the truth that it is. Roads? Who needs roads? Your slaves can cut across country.

jinx · 07-20-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Everyone should live in the way they did when the Constitution was written. Then it can be accepted for the truth that it is. Roads? Who needs roads? Your slaves can cut across country.

Do you think every country that has a constitution, every organization that has a charter, should just throw it out the window and forget about it after its written? Because people at the time had some different beliefs than we do now - nothing they believed then has any value to us now? Look beyond the roads for a minute.... you don't see any tax money being wasted anywhere that maybe wouldn't be if were sticking more closely to the 'rules'?

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Originally Posted by UT

That's a question that was answered by the Courts in the late 1800s, but I'm sure Radar will have the correct answer for us through divination of the meaning as originally written. We wait.

So you know the answer but you're not going to tell me because Radar pisses you off?

spudcon · 07-20-2008, 06:14 PM

Pssst. Slavery was/is unconstitutional.

07-20-2008, 11:24 AM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I was a winner before, during, and after I ran for office. I accomplished all of my goals of running a successful information campaign. I never planned on winning the office. That would be impossible given the circumstances and the district demographics. Before 1913, Americans didn't pay income taxes, but guess what? We had paved roads. We had a legislature. We had a military, etc. Claiming toll roads isn't a feasible solution only shows that you know little to nothing about the subject and haven't dedicated any actual thought to the subject...much like every other subject, especially with regard to Israel and the middle-east. I love how you think it's wrong for the people who use a service to pay for it, and for those who don't use it to be exempt from paying for it. It shows how irrational you truly are. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

07-20-2008, 11:59 AM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	:speechless: __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

07-20-2008, 01:00 PM	#6
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Post exclusive roads? Or enough roads to get the mail thru (which pretty much covers everywhere most people want to go)? __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

07-20-2008, 04:26 PM	#12
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	All court interpretations are meaningless. Just read the plain sense of the document, stupid sheeple! __________________ to live and die in LA

07-20-2008, 06:14 PM	#15
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Pssst. Slavery was/is unconstitutional. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

07-20-2008, 09:52 AM	#1
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I like this! Let me know when it's officially a meme and I'll join in.

07-20-2008, 12:55 PM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Post roads! Post roads!

07-20-2008, 02:40 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's a question that was answered by the Courts in the late 1800s, but I'm sure Radar will have the correct answer for us through divination of the meaning as originally written. We wait.

07-20-2008, 05:38 PM	#13
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Everyone should live in the way they did when the Constitution was written. Then it can be accepted for the truth that it is. Roads? Who needs roads? Your slaves can cut across country.

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