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...bio-automation, organic machinery. | 1 | 14.29% | |
...sumthin’ more than bio-automation, not only organic machinery. | 6 | 85.71% | |
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10-14-2019, 07:39 PM | #1 | |
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10-14-2019, 08:05 PM | #2 | |
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10-14-2019, 10:03 PM | #3 |
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And yet it continues to work the way it does regardless of whether we understand it or not. It doesn't require our understanding, therefore our understanding isn't important-- to the thing itself.
From an objective point of view, the simplest solution is that consciousness has a biological origin, like every other feature of living organisms. Arguments against: 1) We don't understand how a biological mechanism could produce free will. This doesn't affect the likelihood of any particular answer. Our understanding is not a factor. 2) A biological origin of consciousness could mean that our decision-making has a deterministic nature. This doesn't affect the likelihood of any particular answer. Our reckoning of what is intuitive is not a factor. 3) A deterministic origin of consciousness could have serious ethical consequences. This doesn't affect the likelihood of any particular answer. Our desire for positive outcomes is not a factor. 4) It feels wrong, bad, uncomfortable, or unintuitive in any way whatsoever. None of this affects the likelihood of any particular answer in the slightest amount. 5) We have a gut feeling that it's more than biology. This doesn't affect the likelihood of any particular answer-- the universe doesn't care about our bias.
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio Last edited by Flint; 10-14-2019 at 11:24 PM. |
10-15-2019, 09:04 AM | #4 |
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"it continues to work the way it does regardless of whether we understand it or not"
This applies to everything, the whole of the world, from the Planck length clear up to the universal.
There's no reason to plumb the depths, to climb the mountains, to leap into space, to probe the atom, to dissect the brain, to discern the geometry of the psyche, to decipher DNA, to figure out how birds fly, to investigate why stone is inedible, to know how a star works, to... The depths are fine without us, the peaks don't require us, space is indifferent to us, atoms do okay all by themselves, brains tick along without an inkling of why or how, psyches persist even in self-ignorance, DNA requires no oversight, birds fly without a care as to how, stones 'hurt' and mebbe 'kill' if ingested (we don't need to know 'why'), the sun is there and that's all we need to know. Man, curiosity is a bitch! Life would be so much better if we weren't always poking our noses into the inner workings of things, sussin' out the undergirdings.
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10-15-2019, 10:36 AM | #5 |
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Yep, things work just fine without us. There's no need for us to break our necks trying to force wrong answers onto things. And that's not a victimless crime-- when we box ourselves in with cognitive errors, we're going down the path of not being correct about anything else.
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10-15-2019, 11:09 AM | #6 |
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"Yep, things work just fine without us."
Yet here we are, in every-increasing numbers, diggin' 'round the inner workings of Reality, tryin' to figure it out, gettin' it wrong some of the time, gettin' it right some of the time. Ain't no stoppin' us now, so: you might as well relax and enjoy the ride. # "There's no need for us to break our necks trying to force wrong answers onto things." There's no need to find the right answers either, but -- as I say -- we're doin' it anyway. # "when we box ourselves in with cognitive errors, we're going down the path of not being correct about anything else.' Except, of course, when we go down the right path. The universe opens ups a little bit more when that happens.
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10-15-2019, 11:20 AM | #7 |
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goddangit henry let me argue with you
stop being reasonable
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****************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio |
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