Biden: when Obama is faced with a crisis in six months you gotta support him - Page 2

classicman · 10-22-2008, 09:12 AM

Dana - thankfully you are in GB and not here, ya commie! j/k - you make some very valid points and they were definitely part of my decision making process.

Bruce - McCain has 30 years compared to Obama. Personally though, I want a leader who can assess a situation and make logical, thoughtful and intuitive decisions. Someone who is well respected and has made tough decisions in the past. Someone who has had to endure both personal and political hardships and has extensive leadership experience. Unfortunately, both of these candidates only have parts of what I want philosophically and politically. They both have some things that I like and some things that I don't.

Griff - I agree - that "hothead" tag weighed into my decision as well, as did they voting present, but ot actually voting. A leader has to lead and make decisions. Right or wrong, A true leader must make a choice.

Big Sarge · 10-22-2008, 09:32 AM

Here's an example of how McCain reacts under pressure:

McCain was almost killed on July 29, 1967, when he was near the center of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded. McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-22-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Bruce - McCain has 30 years compared to Obama.

Hell I'm 64, with lots of experience, and make bad decisions every day.

Ibby · 10-22-2008, 09:48 AM

But does our president need to be the man best suited to dive into a fire and save people, or the man best suited to help direct others in putting it out faster and prevent more fires from happening?

classicman · 10-22-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Hell I'm 64, with lots of experience, and make bad decisions every day.

And some of us still respect what you say -

lookout123 · 10-22-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

But does our president need to be the man best suited to dive into a fire and save people, or the man best suited to help direct others in putting it out faster and prevent more fires from happening?

Hmm, not sure. Can I just vote "present"?

TheMercenary · 10-22-2008, 11:16 AM

Bottom line is that it probably matters not who is the president because the people who actually deal with these problems will deal with it as they always have. Professionally.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-22-2008, 11:19 AM

Yeah, no reason to stop reading to the children.

TheMercenary · 10-22-2008, 11:41 AM

Goat stories are fun and exciting.

classicman · 10-22-2008, 11:48 AM

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Hmm, not sure. Can I just vote "present"?

SamIam · 10-22-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bottom line is that it probably matters not who is the president because the people who actually deal with these problems will deal with it as they always have. Professionally.

Yeah, maybe the question should be is which candidate can best pick a competant group of advisors who will act for the benefit of the nation and not some partisan idelogy.

TheMercenary · 10-22-2008, 12:26 PM

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Yeah, maybe the question should be is which candidate can best pick a competant group of advisors who will act for the benefit of the nation and not some partisan idelogy.

That has nothing to do with my statement. And if you think for one minute that any president does not pick a group of advisors who will not act on partisan idelogy then you do not understand politics.

classicman · 10-22-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

Yeah, maybe the question should be is which candidate can best pick a competant group of advisors who will act for the benefit of the nation and not some partisan idelogy.

Easy answer. Neither one - Whoever wins, their cabinet will be filled with political choices, not necessarily those who will work for the benefit of Americans. That being said, I think its a good thing to clean house every so often. Shake things up a bit.

Undertoad · 10-22-2008, 01:04 PM

Apparently Madeline Albright agreed and confirmed what Biden said: Obama will be tested and this is just a matter of fact in Int'l Relations.

glatt · 10-22-2008, 01:13 PM

It that why China captured our spy plane right after Bush took office?

10-22-2008, 09:12 AM	#16
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Dana - thankfully you are in GB and not here, ya commie! j/k - you make some very valid points and they were definitely part of my decision making process. Bruce - McCain has 30 years compared to Obama. Personally though, I want a leader who can assess a situation and make logical, thoughtful and intuitive decisions. Someone who is well respected and has made tough decisions in the past. Someone who has had to endure both personal and political hardships and has extensive leadership experience. Unfortunately, both of these candidates only have parts of what I want philosophically and politically. They both have some things that I like and some things that I don't. Griff - I agree - that "hothead" tag weighed into my decision as well, as did they voting present, but ot actually voting. A leader has to lead and make decisions. Right or wrong, A true leader must make a choice. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-22-2008, 09:48 AM	#19
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	But does our president need to be the man best suited to dive into a fire and save people, or the man best suited to help direct others in putting it out faster and prevent more fires from happening? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-22-2008, 11:16 AM	#22
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Bottom line is that it probably matters not who is the president because the people who actually deal with these problems will deal with it as they always have. Professionally. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-22-2008, 11:19 AM	#23
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah, no reason to stop reading to the children. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-22-2008, 11:41 AM	#24
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Goat stories are fun and exciting. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-22-2008, 09:32 AM	#17
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Here's an example of how McCain reacts under pressure: McCain was almost killed on July 29, 1967, when he was near the center of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded. McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.

10-22-2008, 01:04 PM	#29
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Apparently Madeline Albright agreed and confirmed what Biden said: Obama will be tested and this is just a matter of fact in Int'l Relations.

10-22-2008, 01:13 PM	#30
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	It that why China captured our spy plane right after Bush took office?

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