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Old 08-11-2020, 03:31 PM   #1
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BIDEN - HARRIS 2020

Biden has made his choice for his Vice Presidential running mate: Kamala Harris.

Biden was spoiled for choice and he made a good one. She's smart and savvy and capable.

Don't forget to vote!!!
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:42 PM   #2
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Gonna lose some progressives with what is essentially an old fashioned GOP ticket... Not Trump is a win.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:47 PM   #3
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all of the people all of the time, etc.

Any voter who stays home because this ticket is too conventional is an idiot.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:52 PM   #4
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2016 should remind us that idiot's votes count as well. They've decided to win without passion, maybe that reduces conflict, but it also reduces turnout.
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Old 08-11-2020, 04:15 PM   #5
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I agree that idiot votes count, both the ones cast and the ones withheld.

I would joyously celebrate a win without passion, or with passion, or passion and a bag of chips. Never Trump is a win, Biden-Harris is a win, a win is a win and I'll be happy to have one.

As for turnout, I think any pick he made would have been a mixed bag. If Biden had picked Warren, there would have been trade offs there too. Two old white people, same ol' same ol'. Abrams, no experience in higher office or national experience. Rice, the same complaint you lodge against Harris, doubling down on foreign relations experience, but what else? I think Duckworth would have been an excellent choice, but again risking disaffecting the progressives. I think her military background would be even more compelling than Harris' background as a prosecutor. Though both of them have that law and order vibe--crossover appeal to "law and order" voters. Again, abstention is tantamount to voting for more Trump.

Are you arguing for the progressive position? I find many of their ideas very appealing. But none of them will ever see the light of day unless their proponents are elected. To govern, one must first be elected.
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Old 08-11-2020, 04:44 PM   #6
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I want full blown national healthcare. This isn't the ticket that will deliver. I don't know about a full on progressive agenda sometimes they are as intolerant as Trumpets. We need good government which this ticket could deliver. Harris will appeal to cops and suburban voters but alienate BLM who have legit grievances.
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Old 08-11-2020, 04:54 PM   #7
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I'm told she did sign on to M4A so we'll see. We'll also have to see what the post Trump GOP morphs into. To be successful National Healthcare needs widespread support. Right now the GOP is about ruining government agencies and programs not keeping them efficient.
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Old 08-11-2020, 05:09 PM   #8
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It's a smart choice.

Not the best for progressives, but let's face it-- only full-blown lunatics are not voting "against" the incumbent administration.
This ticket will get a "pass" on ideological purity, to the maximum possible extent.

As for healthcare, Kamala was for whatever the person she was talking to was for, as far as I could tell.

Being a prosecutor is not a great background, she better get into criminal justice reform real quick.
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Old 08-11-2020, 05:19 PM   #9
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I'm gonna stay in line because Trump, but we could have had bold change in this moment.
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Old 08-11-2020, 05:33 PM   #10
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Well, she's no Tushi Gabbard; but, I'm trying to keep an open mind. Put her on a surfboard in a bathing suit and we'll see.
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