Ending God's Tax Exempt Status - Page 11

Happy Monkey · 08-21-2007, 05:50 PM

There are very small nonprofits.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-21-2007, 05:55 PM

So what?

Happy Monkey · 08-21-2007, 05:58 PM

If they can do it, so could a small church.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-21-2007, 06:32 PM

Small non-profits only succeed when they fill a niche. But the point is, they still have to jump through hoops under government scrutiny. That's not separation of church and state.

Happy Monkey · 08-21-2007, 06:41 PM

They already have to jump through government hoops for other secular issues, why not taxes?

Bullitt · 08-21-2007, 07:31 PM

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xoxoxoBruce · 08-21-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

They already have to jump through government hoops for other secular issues, why not taxes?

Because then the government is deciding which religions are acceptable and which are not and I don't want Bush's flunkies doing that.

Happy Monkey · 08-21-2007, 07:59 PM

Acceptable for what? Whether it's a religion, "acceptable" or not, should not enter into the equation.

As I said, they already have to jump through government hoops for other secular issues, why not taxes?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-21-2007, 08:46 PM

What secular issues? Building permits?

Happy Monkey · 08-22-2007, 12:33 PM

Sure. And health codes, fire codes, etc. etc. Just about everything that comes with owning propery, except taxes.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-22-2007, 12:51 PM

Because that stuff is for the safety and protection of the people using the facilities. Comparing that to adding the additional burden of taxes is ludicrous.

Clodfobble · 08-22-2007, 12:57 PM

Just thought of this this morning: if churches become just like any other non-profit, HM, what's to prevent them from spending money on legislative lobbying and supporting political candidates? Right now that's illegal (although of course some of them do anyway, but you can be assured that all of them would if they had their tax exempt status taken away.)

Happy Monkey · 08-22-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because that stuff is for the safety and protection of the people using the facilities. Comparing that to adding the additional burden of taxes is ludicrous.

Everyone else has the "additional" burden of taxes, why not churches?

Happy Monkey · 08-22-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Just thought of this this morning: if churches become just like any other non-profit, HM, what's to prevent them from spending money on legislative lobbying and supporting political candidates?

There are laws[pdf] regarding lobbying, etc. for nonprofits. If a church wants to remain a 501(c)(3) organization, it will remain under essentially the same lobbying and campaigning requirements.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-22-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Everyone else has the "additional" burden of taxes, why not churches?

Because then the government is charging people to exercise their religious freedom which is clearly a violation of the constitution.

08-21-2007, 05:50 PM	#151
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	There are very small nonprofits. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-21-2007, 05:55 PM	#152
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So what? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-21-2007, 05:58 PM	#153
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If they can do it, so could a small church. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-21-2007, 06:32 PM	#154
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Small non-profits only succeed when they fill a niche. But the point is, they still have to jump through hoops under government scrutiny. That's not separation of church and state. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-21-2007, 06:41 PM	#155
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	They already have to jump through government hoops for other secular issues, why not taxes? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-21-2007, 07:59 PM	#158
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Acceptable for what? Whether it's a religion, "acceptable" or not, should not enter into the equation. As I said, they already have to jump through government hoops for other secular issues, why not taxes? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-21-2007, 08:46 PM	#159
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What secular issues? Building permits? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-22-2007, 12:33 PM	#160
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Sure. And health codes, fire codes, etc. etc. Just about everything that comes with owning propery, except taxes. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-22-2007, 12:51 PM	#161
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Because that stuff is for the safety and protection of the people using the facilities. Comparing that to adding the additional burden of taxes is ludicrous. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-22-2007, 12:57 PM	#162
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Just thought of this this morning: if churches become just like any other non-profit, HM, what's to prevent them from spending money on legislative lobbying and supporting political candidates? Right now that's illegal (although of course some of them do anyway, but you can be assured that all of them would if they had their tax exempt status taken away.)

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