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Old 03-30-2010, 08:18 AM   #16
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it is a little rich to spend hundreds of years fucking up the planet in new and creative ways and then within a decade or so of becoming aware of our part in that planetary clusterfuck, to then point our collective finger at communist countries, or China in particular and call them bastards for doing the same.
Good point. But what about the concept of learning from the mistakes and successes of others? China is an expert in this area. (Which is a polite way of saying they steal all our intellectual property.) They learn everything they know from us, and they decide to reject the knowledge that they find inconvenient. They know pollution is bad, because they saw the West go through that period. But they have made the decision that they don't care. We can certainly judge them for knowingly choosing the path of polluting the planet we all share.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:55 AM   #17
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We regulated all the pollution away.

We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:57 AM   #18
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We regulated all the pollution away.

We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.
Gosh, I miss my OSHA days...

makes me misty for my MSDS book....
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:02 AM   #19
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We regulated all the pollution away.
Very true. But China doesn't have to allow the pollution. We decided we didn't want any, so we regulated it away. We can't control China. China needs to decide for itself if it's going to regulate their pollution away. If they clean up their act, Walmart won't be so cheap anymore, but that would be good for the West because then we would be able to compete with China on a level field.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:09 AM   #20
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that would be good for the West because then we would be able to compete with China on a level field.
Not really. They would still have cheaper labor.
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Old 03-30-2010, 07:20 PM   #21
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And they don't have to pay royalty or patent payments to American inventors, artists or industry.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:29 AM   #22
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I've been to Taiwan and Shanghai and I can honestly say that while visiting both I have smelled smells that I have never encountered in any other place on this planet that I have been!

Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air? Perhaps the smell of Shaoxing Wine and Chinkiang vinegar as it hits a hot wok?
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:00 AM   #23
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Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air?
Usually it is NOT a fragrance at all. It's a high tech chemical that flat out stops you from smelling the target stench. It's insanely effective and the chemical companies charge a bundle for it. It's used in many places.

Many US landfills use it in misting systems. You can buy systems to snuff out most noxious odors. Often places that have a lot of garbage like a large apartment complex can install units. The units often have wind detection to shut down the expensive spray if the wind blows hard enough to dilute the bad odors or if the prevailing wind blows the stink away from any complainers.

If they are using the smell quenching chemical in that truck above, then the amount they're spraying would knock down a huge amount of putricity.
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:01 AM   #24
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Wow. I did not know that Spuck.
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:34 AM   #25
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Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose?
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:01 AM   #26
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Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.
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Old 04-01-2010, 02:37 PM   #27
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Formaldehyde has been doing that for a long time.
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Old 04-02-2010, 12:00 AM   #28
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Old 04-02-2010, 05:19 AM   #29
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Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose?
Neither. As I recall it bonds with the stink molecules and changes their shape so they change how they smell. I actually am marginally associated with a controller for dispensing this stuff. I had it all explained to me a long while ago. I need to get a refresher course from them.



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Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.
I don't believe it's a numbing agent exactly but yes some of the home sprays have the same or similar stuff in them.
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Old 04-02-2010, 07:28 AM   #30
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So Febreeze doesn't make things less smelly, it just inhibits ability to smell the offending object?

Can one develop a Febreeze immunity?
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