US Military Veterans

xoxoxoBruce · 06-13-2004, 09:29 AM

Quick facts on US military veterans:

26.4 military veterans in the US. 1 out of 8 civilians, 18 and older.
9.7 veterans age 65 or older.
57.4 is the median age of the nations veterans.
7 states have 1 million or more veterans.
......CA - 2.6 million
......FL - 1.9 million
......TX - 1.8 million
......PA - 1.3 million
......OH - 1.1 million
......IL - 1 million

Thanks, guys....and gals.

btw, this came from the UAW local 1069 newspaper.

Radar · 06-13-2004, 04:19 PM

Given the fact that most U.S. Veterans are against the war in Iraq and would support Kerry (A man who didn't dodge the draft, and who didn't use his daddy's influence to get out of Vietnam) over Bush who spent his time defending Texas from Oklahoma until he eventually deserted from even that, the odds are Kerry will win those states.

wolf · 06-13-2004, 04:22 PM

I doubt would be either a "given" or a "fact."

Radar · 06-13-2004, 04:32 PM

Ask 100 Vietnam combat vets whether or not they think we should be at war with Iraq and see what they say. I personally am a vet (not a vietnam vet or a combat vet) but I'm against it and so are the vast majority of all vets I know, especially those who have seen combat.

Here's a website, you might be interested in...

Veterans Against the Iraq War

jaguar · 06-13-2004, 04:33 PM

A lack of facts never stopped him before.

wolf · 06-13-2004, 04:49 PM

See you, and raise you:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/

http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/

http://vikingphoenix.com/e2004/vietn...ainstkerry.htm

http://www.ussyorktown.com/yorktown/kerry.htm

I stopped after the first page of googled sites. You get the idea.

Actually, I give radar a certain amount of leeway, given that he is in California, and finding opinions that stray from the liberal party line, so to speak, is difficult.

Radar · 06-13-2004, 05:01 PM

Sorry, but most of the evidence I have is from actual Vets, all over America, not just in CA. And the vast majority of them are against the war in Iraq. And most will vote for Kerry even though they don't like him, because they can't stand Bush.

They will vote for the lesser of two evils, and that is Kerry.

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/m...rticle&sid=469

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org

http://www.vvaw.org

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001144.php

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14067

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor...3/27_vets.html

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articl...AgainstWar.htm

http://www.veteransforpeace.org

Clodfobble · 06-13-2004, 05:23 PM

Even if you were right and every last one of Texas' 1.8 million veterans (I wonder if they count the homeless ones) supported Kerry... Kerry would still not win this state. Can't speak for the other states, but I live in the most liberal of Texas cities and I can still tell you that anti-Bush sentiment here is not what you wish it were.

Radar · 06-13-2004, 05:43 PM

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Vets actually like Kerry, but they dislike Bush so much they'll vote for him anyway. And Texas is backwards in virtually all issues anyway. They are a non-factor. TX and much of the south will go to Bush as they tend to be poorly educated in the South, and NY, CA, IL, MA, FL, OR, WA, NH, etc. belong to Kerry.

Bush will get the states with very few electoral votes and lots of hicks and hillbillies, while Kerry will get the highly populated states with large cities.

Kerry will win NY, IL & CA for sure. That's 107 electoral votes alone. That's equal to TX, GA, VA, IN, MO, AL, MS, KS, and AK combined.

Kerry will carry the small northern states, and the Great Lake States too.

Here's how things currently stack up, and you can find a state by state discussion.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...-test-fl.flash

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...page.htmlstory

wolf · 06-13-2004, 09:14 PM

Don't count your electoral votes before they are cast.

rich2741 · 06-13-2004, 10:57 PM

Bush better win AGAIN (I love saying that!), or the entire world will go to hell in a handbasket.

Just ask yourself... Who would the terrorists like to see as President? Vote the opposite.

elSicomoro · 06-13-2004, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rich2741
Just ask yourself... Who would the terrorists like to see as President? Vote the opposite.

The terrorists seem to like Dubya right now, so...

rich2741 · 06-13-2004, 11:16 PM

I didn't know trees could be so funny!

Happy Monkey · 06-13-2004, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wolf
Don't count your electoral votes before they are cast.

Here's where I like to keep track.

elSicomoro · 06-14-2004, 11:54 AM

Interesting stuff, HM. The one state that surprises me is my native Missouri. Plus 11 for Bush? Wow...Missouri is usually never that decisive.

06-13-2004, 09:29 AM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	US Military Veterans Quick facts on US military veterans: 26.4 military veterans in the US. 1 out of 8 civilians, 18 and older. 9.7 veterans age 65 or older. 57.4 is the median age of the nations veterans. 7 states have 1 million or more veterans. ......CA - 2.6 million ......FL - 1.9 million ......TX - 1.8 million ......PA - 1.3 million ......OH - 1.1 million ......IL - 1 million Thanks, guys....and gals. btw, this came from the UAW local 1069 newspaper. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 06-13-2004 at 09:31 AM.

06-13-2004, 04:19 PM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Given the fact that most U.S. Veterans are against the war in Iraq and would support Kerry (A man who didn't dodge the draft, and who didn't use his daddy's influence to get out of Vietnam) over Bush who spent his time defending Texas from Oklahoma until he eventually deserted from even that, the odds are Kerry will win those states. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

06-13-2004, 04:22 PM	#3
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I doubt would be either a "given" or a "fact." __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-13-2004, 04:32 PM	#4
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Ask 100 Vietnam combat vets whether or not they think we should be at war with Iraq and see what they say. I personally am a vet (not a vietnam vet or a combat vet) but I'm against it and so are the vast majority of all vets I know, especially those who have seen combat. Here's a website, you might be interested in... Veterans Against the Iraq War __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin Last edited by Radar; 06-13-2004 at 04:36 PM.

06-13-2004, 04:33 PM	#5
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	A lack of facts never stopped him before. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

06-13-2004, 04:49 PM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	See you, and raise you: http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/ http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/ http://vikingphoenix.com/e2004/vietn...ainstkerry.htm http://www.ussyorktown.com/yorktown/kerry.htm I stopped after the first page of googled sites. You get the idea. Actually, I give radar a certain amount of leeway, given that he is in California, and finding opinions that stray from the liberal party line, so to speak, is difficult. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-13-2004, 05:01 PM	#7
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Sorry, but most of the evidence I have is from actual Vets, all over America, not just in CA. And the vast majority of them are against the war in Iraq. And most will vote for Kerry even though they don't like him, because they can't stand Bush. They will vote for the lesser of two evils, and that is Kerry. http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/m...rticle&sid=469 http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org http://www.vvaw.org http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001144.php http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14067 http://www.buzzflash.com/contributor...3/27_vets.html http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articl...AgainstWar.htm http://www.veteransforpeace.org __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

06-13-2004, 05:23 PM	#8
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Even if you were right and every last one of Texas' 1.8 million veterans (I wonder if they count the homeless ones) supported Kerry... Kerry would still not win this state. Can't speak for the other states, but I live in the most liberal of Texas cities and I can still tell you that anti-Bush sentiment here is not what you wish it were.

06-13-2004, 05:43 PM	#9
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Don't get me wrong, I don't think Vets actually like Kerry, but they dislike Bush so much they'll vote for him anyway. And Texas is backwards in virtually all issues anyway. They are a non-factor. TX and much of the south will go to Bush as they tend to be poorly educated in the South, and NY, CA, IL, MA, FL, OR, WA, NH, etc. belong to Kerry. Bush will get the states with very few electoral votes and lots of hicks and hillbillies, while Kerry will get the highly populated states with large cities. Kerry will win NY, IL & CA for sure. That's 107 electoral votes alone. That's equal to TX, GA, VA, IN, MO, AL, MS, KS, and AK combined. Kerry will carry the small northern states, and the Great Lake States too. Here's how things currently stack up, and you can find a state by state discussion. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...-test-fl.flash http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...page.htmlstory __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

06-13-2004, 09:14 PM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Don't count your electoral votes before they are cast. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-13-2004, 10:57 PM	#11
rich2741 Aggregate Aggravator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 17	Bush better win AGAIN (I love saying that!), or the entire world will go to hell in a handbasket. Just ask yourself... Who would the terrorists like to see as President? Vote the opposite.

06-13-2004, 11:16 PM	#13
rich2741 Aggregate Aggravator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 17	I didn't know trees could be so funny!

06-14-2004, 11:54 AM	#15
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Interesting stuff, HM. The one state that surprises me is my native Missouri. Plus 11 for Bush? Wow...Missouri is usually never that decisive.

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