12/9/2002: Venice flood again

Undertoad · 12-09-2002, 03:43 PM

Venice, of course, and yet another flood. The city of Venice faces this kind of thing so routinely that they secure the tables and chairs to prevent losing them every high tide.

They've taken forever to do it, but Italy is going to spend a half a billion dollars to try to build an elaborate system of hinged barriers, to try hold back those tides.

I guess it wouldn't be easier just to build everything up another story?

blase · 12-09-2002, 04:39 PM

How do they avoid constant water damage to the buildings?

snagglefish · 12-09-2002, 08:17 PM

reminded me of the last time i was in venice - i took this shot. i will also post a shot in quality images from 'The Venice of China' where i was over the weekend. . .

the cathedral in this shot is the same one in UT's posting....St. Marcos......

jtm · 12-09-2002, 09:18 PM

UnderToad, is this a recent image? If so, would you tell me where you go it and if there's more information. My wife and I were there the 1st week of November so this flooding saddens us more than one might expect.

Undertoad · 12-09-2002, 09:26 PM

Yes, it's a wire service shot from November 17th so this happened shortly after you were there. I don't think there were further details... unfortunately I sometimes toss the notes I have on a shot at the same time I post.

Scratch that, I found it:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...168/2s3ja.html

juju · 12-09-2002, 10:00 PM

Snagglefish, that is a truly amazing picture. What kind of camera did you use?

elSicomoro · 12-09-2002, 10:08 PM

It is a great pic, but I don't know if this really compares with the picture of the Shanghai party.

snagglefish · 12-09-2002, 10:15 PM

thanks juju - it is one of my favourite shots.

as for what it was shot with.....it was shot using a mamiya rb67, using TMX 100 Kodak film, on a manfrotto 055 tripod with a 3-pan head.....

i shot this 3 or 4 years ago, when i was doing some backpacking in italy....that particular day (as i re-read journal entries) i was bemoaning the fact that i was having to lug this tripod and medium format camera around......weighs a far bit....so basically i was bitching.

and then it dawned on me.

"you're in venice. life could be worse. quit moaning. and go find a photo to take"

and so i purposely stamped about in st marcos square looking for reflections in puddles, as i had once seen a shot taken in a puddle that looked pretty cool. and i finally settled on this one, set the tripod up, got the cable release out. and took exactly one exposure.

and this is it.

snagglefish · 12-09-2002, 10:18 PM

good point syc.

i have a birthday coming up in january....typically these are fairly nutty affairs.....i am sure there will be some wackiness that happens then too....

arz · 12-10-2002, 11:33 AM

The alta acqua is a very common occurence in the lagoon. It happens most often in winter. The phenomenon requires a high tide and a north-blowing wind and has been recorded for centuries, although the fact that Venice is sinking at the rate of 7 centimeters a century hasn't helped things lately.

As to water damage, most Venitian homes' ground floors are abandoned, and the cafes around Piazza San Marco have "waterproof" ground floors. They move the guests up to the second level and continue with the serving of overpriced drinks and food. After the tide has passed the staff squeegee and mop up. I'm not sure what happens to San Marco - the ground floor is even with the piazza, so I guess the water just rolls right on in.

Venice is a sad place in some ways; it is losing population and many buildings there are empty - completely empty. If you want waterfront property in a town with no economy other than tourism, kitschy glass object blowing and lacemaking, Venice is it.

http://www.learnersonline.com/weekly/archive2K/week33/

12-09-2002, 03:43 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	12/9/2002: Venice flood again Venice, of course, and yet another flood. The city of Venice faces this kind of thing so routinely that they secure the tables and chairs to prevent losing them every high tide. They've taken forever to do it, but Italy is going to spend a half a billion dollars to try to build an elaborate system of hinged barriers, to try hold back those tides. I guess it wouldn't be easier just to build everything up another story?

12-09-2002, 08:17 PM	#3
snagglefish Cantankerous Incantonator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: vancouver, canada Posts: 54	st marcos reflection. reminded me of the last time i was in venice - i took this shot. i will also post a shot in quality images from 'The Venice of China' where i was over the weekend. . . the cathedral in this shot is the same one in UT's posting....St. Marcos...... Attached Images Last edited by snagglefish; 12-09-2002 at 08:23 PM.

12-09-2002, 10:15 PM	#8
snagglefish Cantankerous Incantonator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: vancouver, canada Posts: 54	tech specs. thanks juju - it is one of my favourite shots. as for what it was shot with.....it was shot using a mamiya rb67, using TMX 100 Kodak film, on a manfrotto 055 tripod with a 3-pan head..... i shot this 3 or 4 years ago, when i was doing some backpacking in italy....that particular day (as i re-read journal entries) i was bemoaning the fact that i was having to lug this tripod and medium format camera around......weighs a far bit....so basically i was bitching. and then it dawned on me. "you're in venice. life could be worse. quit moaning. and go find a photo to take" and so i purposely stamped about in st marcos square looking for reflections in puddles, as i had once seen a shot taken in a puddle that looked pretty cool. and i finally settled on this one, set the tripod up, got the cable release out. and took exactly one exposure. and this is it.

12-09-2002, 10:18 PM	#9
snagglefish Cantankerous Incantonator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: vancouver, canada Posts: 54	shanghai shenanigans good point syc. i have a birthday coming up in january....typically these are fairly nutty affairs.....i am sure there will be some wackiness that happens then too....

12-10-2002, 11:33 AM	#10
arz Hand-of-Kindness Extender Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 137	Alta Acqua The alta acqua is a very common occurence in the lagoon. It happens most often in winter. The phenomenon requires a high tide and a north-blowing wind and has been recorded for centuries, although the fact that Venice is sinking at the rate of 7 centimeters a century hasn't helped things lately. As to water damage, most Venitian homes' ground floors are abandoned, and the cafes around Piazza San Marco have "waterproof" ground floors. They move the guests up to the second level and continue with the serving of overpriced drinks and food. After the tide has passed the staff squeegee and mop up. I'm not sure what happens to San Marco - the ground floor is even with the piazza, so I guess the water just rolls right on in. Venice is a sad place in some ways; it is losing population and many buildings there are empty - completely empty. If you want waterfront property in a town with no economy other than tourism, kitschy glass object blowing and lacemaking, Venice is it. http://www.learnersonline.com/weekly/archive2K/week33/

12-09-2002, 04:39 PM	#2
blase Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 91	How do they avoid constant water damage to the buildings?

12-09-2002, 09:18 PM	#4
jtm Dog O'Nine Tails Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 20	UnderToad, is this a recent image? If so, would you tell me where you go it and if there's more information. My wife and I were there the 1st week of November so this flooding saddens us more than one might expect.

12-09-2002, 09:26 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yes, it's a wire service shot from November 17th so this happened shortly after you were there. I don't think there were further details... unfortunately I sometimes toss the notes I have on a shot at the same time I post. Scratch that, I found it: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...168/2s3ja.html

12-09-2002, 10:00 PM	#6
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Snagglefish, that is a truly amazing picture. What kind of camera did you use?

12-09-2002, 10:08 PM	#7
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	It is a great pic, but I don't know if this really compares with the picture of the Shanghai party.

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