Ouija for 11-Year olds? - Page 6

SteveDallas · 12-13-2008, 10:01 AM

It is lots of fun.

wolf · 12-13-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

You mean I could have been playing Apples to Apples instead of the Ouija! I feel so cheated.

j/k but The Apples game does sound fun indeed!

It is quite possibly the best group game in existence. Well, except for an orgy, but that's a whole different kind of party.

Ruminator · 12-13-2008, 12:31 PM

Since none of us actually have a 100% true understanding of reality, (although we each like to think we do for the most part) and since there is a strong value placed upon a parent being the custodian of their children's upbringing; I would never make a potentially perceived "spiritual decision" for another parents child. I don't see this issue as one of legitimacy of the board, but rather mutual respect between human adults.

Although many here are atheists, there are also people here of different spiritual beliefs including witchcraft of probably different branches and schools. I know some into magic who are into the real serious stuff, and its not always just a bunch of rainbows and unicorns.

I would like to hear from them what they think any actual spiritual potential is from a Ouija board.

Flint · 12-13-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruminator

...I would never make a potentially perceived "spiritual decision" for another parents child...

This statement made me think. And it brought about an idea of what the "heart of the matter" may be.

What is at issue is the judgment call regarding what is appropriate or not. Since it is logically impossible for each of us to cross-check our values with every other person we encounter; it is necessary for each of us to make countless of such judgment calls throughout the course of each day.

At stake here: something potentially perceived to be a spiritual matter. The known facts of the matter is that it is literally a piece of cardboard, produced and packaged by a toy manufacturer, for entertainment purposes. The judgment call is what to do when confronted with a situation where someone attaches a spiritual significance to this object.

Our tendancy towards tolerance of others and their belief systems tells us that we should respect that notion, even though we don't understand or agree with it. However, there is a larger perspective to take: how does society benefit, or not, by the behavior we passively encourage through our non-participation?

We have witnessed, throughout history, that rampant superstition is destructive to society. People kill black cats because they're afraid of witchcraft causing diseases, whereas the cats were controlling the rodent population and therefore disease runs like wildfire, bringing about a deadly pandemic. IGNORANCE IS DESTRUCTIVE.

By even entertaining the notion that a PIECE OF CARDBOARD may be a serious, supernatural phenomenon, we encourage in people those same backwards, superstitious belief systems. We are literally encouraging a destructive ignorance.

If someone holds ignorant beliefs, they need to be confronted and shamed. We all benefit when ignorance is opposed. This is not something that somebody else will do for you--it is YOUR responsibility. YOU are building the world that your children will inherit.

DO WE WANT ANOTHER "DARK AGE" OF IGNORANCE AND SUPERSTITION? . . . Don't just look the other way.

monster · 12-13-2008, 05:26 PM

Well we went for not because beest is not comfortable with it, and I can't really see the entertainment value so felt no need to object to his objection. Thanks for the interesting discussion

ZenGum · 12-13-2008, 06:05 PM

We should call him to confirm this, though.

What is the number of the Beest?

HungLikeJesus · 12-13-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

We should call him to confirm this, though.

What is the number of the Beest?

Here it is.

Goddit · 12-13-2008, 06:30 PM

Absolutely not suitable. Indeed, not suitable for anyone. Think of it's purpose. Those who use it do so with a belief, no matter how jovial they regard that belief. Once one opens oneself up to evil, evil comes into your existence, it becomes real for oneself.
Suitable entertainment for 11 year old girls is hanging out, trying makeup for the first time, having slumber parties and all that general 'developing relationships' thing.

monster · 12-13-2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

We should call him to confirm this, though.

What is the number of the Beest?

diameter or length?

Cloud · 12-13-2008, 08:44 PM

I know very few of you will agree with me, but:

No. Ouija boards creep me the fuck out. It's my personal belief that there are Other Things Out There--call them spirits, angels, afrits, Thebans, or whatever. Non-human, we can't ascertain their purposes or even whether they are "good" or "evil" according to our norms. Why take the risk?

I don't think the average gaggle of 11 year old girls, or group of anybody, really, would be successful in contacting them through a bit of cardboard and plastic, but the tiny possibility still freaks me out.

So, no.

Bruce 9012 · 12-13-2008, 10:19 PM

No Do Not alow not good
It's not a toy

ZenGum · 12-13-2008, 11:51 PM

The only way to settle this question is with a seance.

Cloud · 12-14-2008, 12:46 AM

I suppose you think that's really silly. Perhaps it is. Nevertheless . . .

ZenGum · 12-14-2008, 01:14 AM

I was trying to be funny. Maybe this will work better:

Just meet the parents of the visiting kids as they arrive.
"We've got three activities lined up for the kids: freebasing crack, webcam strip-poker, and the ouija board. You may veto one."

Cicero · 12-14-2008, 01:30 AM

I thought it was only for 11 year olds. I guess I need to go back and read the rules.

View Poll Results: Is Ouija suitable for 11-year olds?
NO WAY, nuh-huh, absolutely NOT	11	33.33%
Not really, but.....	2	6.06%
Meh	5	15.15%
It's okay, but.....	3	9.09%
YES, it's perfect for that purpose	12	36.36%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

12-13-2008, 12:31 PM	#78
Ruminator Ohio fisherman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 117	Since none of us actually have a 100% true understanding of reality, (although we each like to think we do for the most part) and since there is a strong value placed upon a parent being the custodian of their children's upbringing; I would never make a potentially perceived "spiritual decision" for another parents child. I don't see this issue as one of legitimacy of the board, but rather mutual respect between human adults. Although many here are atheists, there are also people here of different spiritual beliefs including witchcraft of probably different branches and schools. I know some into magic who are into the real serious stuff, and its not always just a bunch of rainbows and unicorns. I would like to hear from them what they think any actual spiritual potential is from a Ouija board. __________________ ~ Perception is vital, reality is irrelevant... or is it? ~ "People never give each other enough credit for their contributions." ... a truer statement was never made. - contributed by TheMercenary Last edited by Ruminator; 12-13-2008 at 01:20 PM.

12-13-2008, 05:26 PM	#80
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Well we went for not because beest is not comfortable with it, and I can't really see the entertainment value so felt no need to object to his objection. Thanks for the interesting discussion __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-13-2008, 06:05 PM	#81
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	We should call him to confirm this, though. What is the number of the Beest? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

12-13-2008, 06:30 PM	#83
Goddit Non-Newbie Sort Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	Ouija for 11 year olds Absolutely not suitable. Indeed, not suitable for anyone. Think of it's purpose. Those who use it do so with a belief, no matter how jovial they regard that belief. Once one opens oneself up to evil, evil comes into your existence, it becomes real for oneself. Suitable entertainment for 11 year old girls is hanging out, trying makeup for the first time, having slumber parties and all that general 'developing relationships' thing.

12-13-2008, 10:01 AM	#76
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	It is lots of fun.

12-13-2008, 08:44 PM	#85
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I know very few of you will agree with me, but: No. Ouija boards creep me the fuck out. It's my personal belief that there are Other Things Out There--call them spirits, angels, afrits, Thebans, or whatever. Non-human, we can't ascertain their purposes or even whether they are "good" or "evil" according to our norms. Why take the risk? I don't think the average gaggle of 11 year old girls, or group of anybody, really, would be successful in contacting them through a bit of cardboard and plastic, but the tiny possibility still freaks me out. So, no. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

12-13-2008, 10:19 PM	#86
Bruce 9012 Living in the blast crater Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dayton, Oh Posts: 123	No Do Not alow not good It's not a toy

12-13-2008, 11:51 PM	#87
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	The only way to settle this question is with a seance. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

12-14-2008, 12:46 AM	#88
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I suppose you think that's really silly. Perhaps it is. Nevertheless . . . __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

12-14-2008, 01:14 AM	#89
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I was trying to be funny. Maybe this will work better: Just meet the parents of the visiting kids as they arrive. "We've got three activities lined up for the kids: freebasing crack, webcam strip-poker, and the ouija board. You may veto one." __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

12-14-2008, 01:30 AM	#90
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	I thought it was only for 11 year olds. I guess I need to go back and read the rules. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

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