The Wicked Witch is dead. - Page 2

lumberjim · 06-05-2008, 01:44 PM

who is this 'wolf' person......they seem familiar somehow.

flaja · 06-05-2008, 08:18 PM

If she only suspends her campaign, then she will still have her pledged delegates when the convention starts. This means that she could still make a fight for the superdelegates and make a play for the nomination.

I expect the Clintons to drag up everything and anything that can slime Obama between now and the convention in an effort to make Obama un-electable by November.

Clodfobble · 06-05-2008, 10:55 PM

No, at this point he has enough pledged delegates that mathematically it wouldn't matter even if she got the support of every single superdelegate.

smoothmoniker · 06-06-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

No, at this point he has enough pledged delegates that mathematically it wouldn't matter even if she got the support of every single superdelegate.

Not true. He has 1763 pledged delegates, you need a total of 2118 to win. He has enough pledged + declared superdelegates to win.

Hillary can still get some of his declared supers to switch sides, and walk away with the nomination. She would need 192 additional superdelegates to vote for her.

Are there 192 open seats on the Supreme Court?

flaja · 06-10-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Not true. He has 1763 pledged delegates, you need a total of 2118 to win. He has enough pledged + declared superdelegates to win.

Hillary can still get some of his declared supers to switch sides, and walk away with the nomination. She would need 192 additional superdelegates to vote for her.

Are there 192 open seats on the Supreme Court?

Hasn't Clinton already tried to make the case that even the pledged delegates are not legally-bound to vote for the candidate that they were elected to support?

And what happens if Obama is sidelined by scandal between now and August?

I am not a Democrat. I have never been a Democrat, and I will never be or vote for a Democrat. But I hope that Clinton still makes an issue of the Florida and Michigan delegates. According to the Florida state constitution, the state legislature can regulate political parties. I question the validity of this under the U.S. Constitution since it restricts our right to assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances. But if state law can regulate national political parties, then I don’t see how party rules can dictate when state law says a party can have its primary. However, if party rules can override statutory law, then the parties should be paying the cost of holding the primary elections. As it stands now the state of Florida will only pay the cost of holding a primary election for the Democrats and Republicans- third parties must foot their own bill. This is fundamentally wrong and I hope that a challenge from Clinton can bring public attention to this issue.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-06-2008, 01:10 AM

George Will and the Fox newsies basically are saying that taking Hillary on as Veep will make Obama unelectable. Bonnie Erbe, of the Boston Globe and not exactly a rock-ribbed conservative, writes ". . .for her to campaign for that spot is nothing short of unseemly. And that goes double for her husband. Yet, "campaigning" for it is exactly what some of her supporters, including Big-Mouth Bill, are doing."

For the Dems to try an Obama-Clinton slate would be... more stupid than I'd believe, and that's saying something.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-06-2008, 03:19 AM

Bruce, you know I don't take crap advice, or ill-founded remarks, at all seriously.

If I did, I'd agree with tw about politics a lot more. Or radar.

Now my golden, wonderful, excellent advice is for you to blow away the fog that blinds you.

classicman · 06-06-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Can you say, delusional?

Yup and I can read it too.

Clodfobble · 06-06-2008, 10:16 AM

Ah, my mistake.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-09-2008, 11:58 PM

What Peggy Noonan Had To Say On It.

Exerpted from her June 6 column:

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But this I believe is the truth: America dodged a bullet. That was the other meaning of the culminating events of this week.

Mrs. Clinton would have been a disaster as president. Mr. Obama may prove a disaster, and John McCain may, but she would be. Mr. Obama may lie, and Mr. McCain may lie, but she would lie. And she would have brought the whole rattling caravan of Clintonism with her—the scandal-making that is compulsive, the drama that is unending, the sheer, daily madness that is her, and him.

We have been spared this. Those who did it deserve to be thanked. May I rise in a toast to the Democratic Party.

TheMercenary · 06-10-2008, 05:43 PM

Sundae · 06-10-2008, 06:12 PM

I'm intrigued that you see fascists everywhere UG. Left, right, pacifists, liberals, gun-control, vegetarins, nuns (okay I made the last two up)
Methinks you doth protest too much.

Urbane Guerrilla · 06-11-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I'm intrigued that you see fascists everywhere UG. Left, right, pacifists, liberals, gun-control, vegetarins, nuns (okay I made the last two up)
Methinks you doth protest too much.

I could gripe about your grammar, but I'll just let you go study it. The KJV does use correct grammar, btw.

Fascists, communists -- not only would I hate to have to live on the difference, you'd hate to too. One will do for the other in all but the most minute policy details, and it ends up being more a difference of style than of substance.

Pacifists are not in my experience fascists. But the poor wretches can't rescue anybody from them -- not and remain pacifists. They're better neighbors than fascists are -- and utterly useless at quelling a riot. That's bad if you don't want your roofs given to the flame and your flesh to the eagles.

Gun control is of course a great help to fascists or their inspiration the communists. This alone is reason to reject it.

I'd rather digest vegetarian dishes than vegetarian, uh, philosophy. Our teeth and our tracts declare us omnivorous.

Griff · 06-11-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I'm intrigued that you see fascists everywhere UG. Left, right, pacifists, liberals, gun-control, vegetarins, nuns (okay I made the last two up)
Methinks you doth protest too much.

To be fair, unless he changed tone since he qualified for ignore, he doesn't find fascists among the hard right ultra-nationalists.

TheMercenary · 06-10-2008, 06:17 PM

vegetarians make great lovers. Except they refuse to shave their bush and that is a bit of a problem.

06-05-2008, 01:44 PM	#1
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	who is this 'wolf' person......they seem familiar somehow. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-06-2008, 01:10 AM	#6
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	George Will and the Fox newsies basically are saying that taking Hillary on as Veep will make Obama unelectable. Bonnie Erbe, of the Boston Globe and not exactly a rock-ribbed conservative, writes ". . .for her to campaign for that spot is nothing short of unseemly. And that goes double for her husband. Yet, "campaigning" for it is exactly what some of her supporters, including Big-Mouth Bill, are doing." For the Dems to try an Obama-Clinton slate would be... more stupid than I'd believe, and that's saying something. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-06-2008, 03:19 AM	#7
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Bruce, you know I don't take crap advice, or ill-founded remarks, at all seriously. If I did, I'd agree with tw about politics a lot more. Or radar. Now my golden, wonderful, excellent advice is for you to blow away the fog that blinds you. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

06-10-2008, 05:43 PM	#11
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	__________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-10-2008, 06:12 PM	#12
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I'm intrigued that you see fascists everywhere UG. Left, right, pacifists, liberals, gun-control, vegetarins, nuns (okay I made the last two up) Methinks you doth protest too much. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

06-05-2008, 08:18 PM	#2
flaja High Propagandist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 112	If she only suspends her campaign, then she will still have her pledged delegates when the convention starts. This means that she could still make a fight for the superdelegates and make a play for the nomination. I expect the Clintons to drag up everything and anything that can slime Obama between now and the convention in an effort to make Obama un-electable by November.

06-05-2008, 10:55 PM	#3
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	No, at this point he has enough pledged delegates that mathematically it wouldn't matter even if she got the support of every single superdelegate.

06-06-2008, 10:16 AM	#9
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Ah, my mistake.

06-10-2008, 06:17 PM	#15
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	vegetarians make great lovers. Except they refuse to shave their bush and that is a bit of a problem. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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