State of The Asstard

Pangloss62 · 01-27-2007, 10:04 AM

"This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we're in." W.

That has got to be one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard. Only a Maggie L. could not interpret that statement as anything but the most cynical insult to our citizens, let alone the friends and families of the war dead.

"There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on."

This is the fight that this administration (not "we") CREATED!

Perry Winkle · 01-27-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

This is the fight that this administration (not "we") CREATED!

We, the people, not necessarily you or me, gave them, our elected officials, the power they used to start the war. So to some degree or another, we, the people, including you and me, are responsible.

Any suggestions on how we make them fix the problem? How should we punish them for abusing our trust?

I can think of some drastic solutions to either, but I doubt enough of us are prepared to pay that price.

(aren't those quotes from older speeches?)

Toymented · 01-27-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by grant

We, the people, not necessarily you or me, gave them, our elected officials, the power they used to start the war. So to some degree or another, we, the people, including you and me, are responsible.

No way, we the people are NOT responsible for this. This is an abuse of their position.

Perry Winkle · 01-27-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymented

No way, we the people are NOT responsible for this. This is an abuse of their position.

Responsibility, along with its good friend guilt, is both transitive and diffuse.

Toymented · 01-27-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by grant

Responsibility, along with its good friend guilt, is both transitive and diffuse.

I don't think they feel guilty. I'm damn sure I don't.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-27-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymented

No way, we the people are NOT responsible for this. This is an abuse of their position.

Not only did "We the People" not stop him, "We the People" reelected him. That makes 'We the People" responsible.

Aliantha · 01-27-2007, 09:49 PM

So what're you the people going to do next time then? (obviously GWB can't go again, but one of his mates will and he/she will probably have the same influences)

Trilby · 01-27-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not only did "We the People" not stop him, "We the People" reelected him. That makes 'We the People" responsible.

I totally did not vote for him.

richlevy · 01-28-2007, 10:16 AM

People get the government they deserve. This works for Iraq and the United State(s).

xoxoxoBruce · 01-28-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

I totally did not vote for him.

But you are not "We the People", nobody is. The "We the People" allowing the whole fiasco, is the majority.

This is an exellent example of why the Bill of Rights, preventing the majority from imposing on the minority, is so important.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-28-2007, 11:16 PM

Pangloss, explain something: just where in your (poorer than mine) thinking is any consideration that our foes hit at us repeatedly, and lethally, over the span of eighteen years before we replied to any effect? Since you seem to need a reminder, these were Beirut 1983, WTC 1993, USS Cole, the embassies, and finally 9/11. Our longsufferingness gives us enormous virtue, my friend. They woke the giant, and they better own that.

These people really really really wanted a war. We Americans have no business complaining if at too long last they got one. So what the hell do you think you're accomplishing but aid and comfort to foes who deserve neither?

piercehawkeye45 · 01-28-2007, 11:53 PM

They are people too UG.

Basically what America does is beat the living shit out of someone and complains if they fight back. Right now, we are opressing the Middle East and even though I strongly disagree with terrorism, I understand why they are pissed off.

01-29-2007, 12:05 AM

BushCo. is a cancer.
We need to get out, without their oil.

If we were invaded and occupied how many of you would be gorilla insurgents? I sure as hell would be.
They are within their rights, and legal by international law (meaning native Iraqis, not foreigners just coming in to kill Americans)

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-29-2007, 12:31 AM

Pierce: I disagree with terrorism more strongly than you, and I think my level of disagreement is about the minimum.

I won't argue about them being people, but I require all of them to behave like humans. Don't, I say, fall short.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-29-2007, 12:37 AM

What is behaving like humans? Fighting for what you believe in? Please look from their prospective once in a while.

01-27-2007, 10:04 AM	#1
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	State of The Asstard "This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we're in." W. That has got to be one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard. Only a Maggie L. could not interpret that statement as anything but the most cynical insult to our citizens, let alone the friends and families of the war dead. *"There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on."* This is the fight that this administration (not "we") CREATED! __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

01-27-2007, 09:49 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So what're you the people going to do next time then? (obviously GWB can't go again, but one of his mates will and he/she will probably have the same influences) __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-28-2007, 10:16 AM	#9
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	People get the government they deserve. This works for Iraq and the United State(s). __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

01-28-2007, 11:16 PM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Pangloss, explain something: just where in your (poorer than mine) thinking is any consideration that our foes hit at us repeatedly, and lethally, over the span of eighteen years before we replied to any effect? Since you seem to need a reminder, these were Beirut 1983, WTC 1993, USS Cole, the embassies, and finally 9/11. Our longsufferingness gives us enormous virtue, my friend. They woke the giant, and they better own that. These people really really really wanted a war. We Americans have no business complaining if at too long last they got one. So what the hell do you think you're accomplishing but aid and comfort to foes who deserve neither? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-29-2007, 12:31 AM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Pierce: I disagree with terrorism more strongly than you, and I think my level of disagreement is about the minimum. I won't argue about them being people, but I require all of them to behave like humans. Don't, I say, fall short. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-28-2007, 11:53 PM	#12
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	They are people too UG. Basically what America does is beat the living shit out of someone and complains if they fight back. Right now, we are opressing the Middle East and even though I strongly disagree with terrorism, I understand why they are pissed off.

01-29-2007, 12:05 AM	#13
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	BushCo. is a cancer. We need to get out, without their oil. If we were invaded and occupied how many of you would be gorilla insurgents? I sure as hell would be. They are within their rights, and legal by international law (meaning native Iraqis, not foreigners just coming in to kill Americans)

01-29-2007, 12:37 AM	#15
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	What is behaving like humans? Fighting for what you believe in? Please look from their prospective once in a while.

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