The Cellar  

Go Back   The Cellar > Main > Nothingland

Nothingland Something about nothing - game threads, diversions, time-wasters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-02-2020, 04:35 PM   #1
DanaC
We have to go back, Kate!
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 25,879
Headfuck Alley

Let's take a wander down Headfuck Alley and see what we find...

__________________
Quote:
There's only so much punishment a man can take in pursuit of punani. - Sundae
http://sites.google.com/site/danispoetry/
DanaC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2020, 04:48 PM   #2
DanaC
We have to go back, Kate!
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 25,879
__________________
Quote:
There's only so much punishment a man can take in pursuit of punani. - Sundae
http://sites.google.com/site/danispoetry/
DanaC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 06:39 AM   #3
Griff
still says videotape
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 26,368
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC View Post
Let's take a wander down Headfuck Alley and see what we find...

That was a nice walk. Now if we could only get Henry Quirk and Flint to vanity search...
__________________
If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Griff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2020, 12:33 PM   #4
Clodfobble
UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 19,861
The brain damage/neurology studies he references have been a particular interest of mine for a long time. I highly recommend all the books by V. S. Ramachandran if you want to read about more cool stuff like this in a very accessible way.

That being said, I think a lot of these phenomena actually make a stronger case for free will, in an indirect way. Take the woman mentioned in the video, who found her left and right hands physically fighting over healthy vs. junk food at the store after her corpus callosum was severed. On the one hand (nyuck nyuck), yes, she is now a living example of the fact that we have conflicting motivations in our subconscious, and that parts of our brain do stuff all the time without us ever knowing about it. On the other [redacted], she is also proof that, in an undamaged and fully-functional brain, one side or the other--the healthy urge or the junk urge--does win on a daily basis without resorting to slap fights. Something in our brain, a "referee" portion if you will, oversees both urges and chooses a winner--and then, yes, the "interpreter part" of the brain separately justifies that victory after the fact. The key is to become aware of this interpreter function, and try to extend our referee function--our free will--to bypass it.

So for example, in the video, he talks about eating* the healthy leftovers vs. making the excuse to go to Wendy's because it's right next to Lowe's where he totally needs to look at those paint swatches--and he says, rightly, that on some level we know we're bullshitting ourselves. Because of course we are. The question is, does your referee function live in denial and accept the interpreter function, or does it acknowledge the bullshitting? His larger point is that lower-level bullshitting is happening all the time that we can't recognize, but the first step to recognizing lower-level bullshitting is to choose to reject the less subtle bullshitting. The crucial thing here is that you don't actually have to make the choice to eat the healthy leftovers: you just have to admit to yourself that you want to eat the Wendy's and that's why you're eating the Wendy's. Owning the choice is more important in the long run than making the "right" one. That's what free will is, and the more you own your choices and the genuine reasoning behind them, the more of it you have.


*And it is super worth exploring why so many of our studies, go-to examples, and subconscious urges center around food, by the way...
__________________
My book
My spirit animal
Clodfobble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2020, 08:10 PM   #5
Gravdigr
The Un-Tuckian
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South Central...KY that is
Posts: 39,152
Headfuck Alley

I know a chick what used to live there.
__________________


These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.
Gravdigr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2020, 03:55 PM   #6
DanaC
We have to go back, Kate!
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 25,879
@Clod: I can well understand your fascination. I always find stuff like this both interesting and slightly disturbing lol
__________________
Quote:
There's only so much punishment a man can take in pursuit of punani. - Sundae
http://sites.google.com/site/danispoetry/
DanaC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2020, 02:28 PM   #7
Flint
Snowflake
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 12,965
I will try to make time to digest this content. I am very interested.
__________________
******************
There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there
it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your
expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever
gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio
Flint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2020, 06:13 PM   #8
Flint
Snowflake
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Dystopia
Posts: 12,965
This is what I've been suspecting for quite some time.

Consciousness Isn’t Self-Centered

Quote:
... The Australian philosopher David Chalmers famously termed this the “hard problem” of consciousness. ... And the fact that the hard problem has persisted for so many decades, despite the advances in neuroscience, has caused some scientists to wonder if we’ve been thinking about the problem backward. Rather than consciousness arising when non-conscious matter behaves a particular way, is it possible that consciousness is an intrinsic property of matter—that it was there all along?
Quote:
The idea that consciousness emerges out of non-conscious material, in fact, represents a kind of failure of the typical goal of scientific exploration: to arrive at as simple an explanation as possible. The celebrated biologist J.B.S. Haldane, for example, argued that the notion of the “strong emergence” of consciousness is “radically opposed to the spirit of science, which has always attempted to explain the complex in terms of the simple … If the scientific point of view is correct, we shall ultimately find them [signs of consciousness in inert matter], at least in rudimentary form, all through the universe.”
__________________
******************
There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there
it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your
expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever
gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio
Flint is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:30 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.