Drug Wars tooooo close to home! - Page 27

xoxoxoBruce · 08-27-2010, 10:10 PM

That's true, but the ATF knows better, and if they were honest they wouldn't make that mistake. Same for the cops. Of course politicians, and assholes that purport know what's best for you, will lie through their teeth anyway.

TheMercenary · 08-28-2010, 08:11 AM

Same goes as with every arrest of someone with an SKS, which even the cops call AK-47's, which they are not. But that really is another discussion.

Nothing can be changed until first we clamp the border shut tight, ala Berlin wall, at least for a temp period as we fix our immigration policy. Once that happens we can open the borders again, slowly and in a controlled fashion, as we id all those who are current illegal immigrants. The key is a comprehensive reform. But if we don't control the borders first the rest of the efforts will be futile.

Mexico is in a death spiral.

Cloud · 08-30-2010, 09:36 PM

Obama will be here tomorrow marking the return of soldiers to Ft. Bliss. (and if you don't know, El Paso will be getting/has been getting a gigantic influx of soldiers to be permanently stationed here. Convenient, eh?)

Should be interesting to see if he refers to the border troubles.

Happy Monkey · 08-31-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

To me that means de-criminalizing drugs and increasing and simplifying legal immigration which can be done on this side of the border.

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I absolutely agree with you. Those are all things I've suggested here before, of course they are labelled as evil conservative ideas designed to make the rich white guy richer when I post them.

Huh? That seems... unlikely.

lookout123 · 08-31-2010, 09:36 PM

His statement is basically something I've said dozens of times in the cellar.

Griff · 09-01-2010, 05:51 AM

I think there is actually a lot of agreement on the issue but people emphasize the parts that appeal to them. If only you could get everything into an omnibus package, because piecemeal probably won't get it done.

Clodfobble · 09-01-2010, 08:11 AM

Well hey, we've already got financial reform and healthcare through (and even the biggest detractors have to admit, hate the legislation or love it, it got through which is a hell of a lot more than anyone else has accomplished on any major issue.) I bet they're just waiting until after the 2010 elections, then immigration reform will be next on the list. Or maybe they'll even push it beforehand to regain Democratic support, emphasizing the parts that appeal to the people who are ticked off at them. But I'd lay money on a very serious federal effort at immigration policy reform before Obama's first term is up.

glatt · 09-01-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

But I'd lay money on a very serious federal effort at immigration policy reform before Obama's first term is up.

I think it will only happen if the democrats hold on to both the senate and house. If not, there will be gridlock and nothing will happen on anything.

TheMercenary · 09-01-2010, 05:02 PM

I vote for gridlock over what we currently have.

Actually I don't support gridlock, but I also can't support the "Rham it through" method that Pelosi and Reid have used. To many failed programs have already been passed.

Spexxvet · 09-01-2010, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

I think it will only happen if the democrats hold on to both the senate and house. If not, there will be gridlock and nothing will happen on anything.

You're right. It's funny in a sickening way. The Democrats will present immigration reform and the party who is screaming it for it will block it because it's initiated by the other side.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-15-2010, 05:48 AM

The up to date info on the drug wars.

classicman · 09-15-2010, 07:40 AM

Frightening read.

Cloud · 09-15-2010, 11:45 AM

It's very scary and very sad. I recently saw a tv ad for Mexican tourism. I'm thinking --not!

tomorrow is Mexico's bicentennial, and they are calling off most of the celebrations for fear of civilian casualties.

TheMercenary · 09-15-2010, 09:07 PM

I agree Cloud, I have family members who have gone to Mexico every year for their vacations because of the cost, but no more, they are all going somewhere else for the for seeable future.

Cloud · 11-21-2010, 04:45 PM

This is just bizarre. People are literally being slaughtered indiscriminately in the streets and in their homes, just a stone's throw away:

Quote:

El Paso is the safest city for in the nation for a city its size, according to the just-released CQ Press Safest Cities rankings. Since 1997, El Paso had ranked as second or third safest city by the independent study.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_16670537

08-27-2010, 10:10 PM	#391
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's true, but the ATF knows better, and if they were honest they wouldn't make that mistake. Same for the cops. Of course politicians, and assholes that purport know what's best for you, will lie through their teeth anyway. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-28-2010, 08:11 AM	#392
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Same goes as with every arrest of someone with an SKS, which even the cops call AK-47's, which they are not. But that really is another discussion. Nothing can be changed until first we clamp the border shut tight, ala Berlin wall, at least for a temp period as we fix our immigration policy. Once that happens we can open the borders again, slowly and in a controlled fashion, as we id all those who are current illegal immigrants. The key is a comprehensive reform. But if we don't control the borders first the rest of the efforts will be futile. Mexico is in a death spiral. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-30-2010, 09:36 PM	#393
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Obama will be here tomorrow marking the return of soldiers to Ft. Bliss. (and if you don't know, El Paso will be getting/has been getting a gigantic influx of soldiers to be permanently stationed here. Convenient, eh?) Should be interesting to see if he refers to the border troubles. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!" Last edited by Cloud; 08-30-2010 at 09:45 PM.

08-31-2010, 09:36 PM	#395
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	His statement is basically something I've said dozens of times in the cellar. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-01-2010, 05:51 AM	#396
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I think there is actually a lot of agreement on the issue but people emphasize the parts that appeal to them. If only you could get everything into an omnibus package, because piecemeal probably won't get it done. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

09-01-2010, 08:11 AM	#397
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Well hey, we've already got financial reform and healthcare through (and even the biggest detractors have to admit, hate the legislation or love it, it got through which is a hell of a lot more than anyone else has accomplished on any major issue.) I bet they're just waiting until after the 2010 elections, then immigration reform will be next on the list. Or maybe they'll even push it beforehand to regain Democratic support, emphasizing the parts that appeal to the people who are ticked off at them. But I'd lay money on a very serious federal effort at immigration policy reform before Obama's first term is up. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

09-01-2010, 05:02 PM	#399
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I vote for gridlock over what we currently have. Actually I don't support gridlock, but I also can't support the "Rham it through" method that Pelosi and Reid have used. To many failed programs have already been passed. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

09-15-2010, 05:48 AM	#401
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The up to date info on the drug wars. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-15-2010, 07:40 AM	#402
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Frightening read. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-15-2010, 11:45 AM	#403
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	It's very scary and very sad. I recently saw a tv ad for Mexican tourism. I'm thinking --not! tomorrow is Mexico's bicentennial, and they are calling off most of the celebrations for fear of civilian casualties. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

09-15-2010, 09:07 PM	#404
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I agree Cloud, I have family members who have gone to Mexico every year for their vacations because of the cost, but no more, they are all going somewhere else for the for seeable future. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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