Christianity vs. Islam - Page 3

Gannet495 · 07-30-2007, 07:37 AM

The Apostle Paul specifically says that the church is to rebuke its members and let God do the judging of the world.
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

See, Christians are suppose to have judgment WITHIN the church, only of its (voluntary) members. God is the one that judges the world, Christians are to rebuke one another to keep each other on the straight and narrow path.

How can a Christian expect a heathen to do the "right thing" since they do not have the Holy Spirit? Any Christian knows (believes) that only by the Holy Spirit can people truly do good works, and the Holy Spirit is received by faith in Christ Jesus the Lord. So if someone doesn't have faith in Jesus, a Christian can't really expect them to produce good fruit.

A lot of people have been jaded by the hypocrisy of church-goers, because they have twisted and neglected this essential concept: God judges the world, not us. Let God do what God does best: judge.

Christians suck at judging, and even if we didn't, the judgment is only supposed to occur WITHIN the church, AMONG people who have claimed to have repented of all their sins.

Gannet495 · 07-30-2007, 07:41 AM

> Christianity has already passed through that "convert or die" stage.

not really...

Luk 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

If Jesus said "repent or perish", its a permanent part of Christianity.

Thankfully, Christians (hopefully) understand that the "perishing" is not to be done at THEIR hand but at GOD's hand-- Jesus' message here is for YOU (the christian, the person hearing Jesus that believes him) to repent, and not to focus on the sins of others but to focus on one's own sins and repent of them and THEMSELF love one another fervently.

There's nothing incorrect about "repent or perish" - all of the unrepentant will be cast into the lake of fire - but things like, oh, say, the spanish inquisition (NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!) occur when power-hungry vile and violent (so-called) Christians (wolves in sheep's clothing) force people to comply with the Law, whereas they should be preaching the good news of the gospel (forgiveness of sins through Jesus' blood on the cross).

wolf · 07-30-2007, 11:00 AM

How's about you stop quoting, and start thinking?

That's more of what this place is about.

BigV · 07-30-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

--snip--
How many other statements should we be adamant about applying both religions?

I like this one:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

When I have my christianity down pat, then I have room to criticize other's fidelity to islam. When I have the bible memorized, I can then quote passages of the koran to backsliding muslims. When god talks to me, I'll be sure to pass on the message.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-30-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigV

When god talks to me, I'll be sure to pass on the message.

No V, when God talks to you, it's for you. Don't be a pompous ass like Gannet495, and think you've been chosen as a prophet.

Pie · 07-30-2007, 01:10 PM

When god talks to you, it's time to change your dosage.

yesman065 · 07-30-2007, 01:41 PM

When God talks to you... (that could be a whole thread of its own)

...you're in the Cellar.

Shawnee123 · 07-30-2007, 01:51 PM

If God is a talkin'
Don't bother knockin'

BigV · 07-30-2007, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No V, when God talks to you, it's for you. Don't be a pompous ass like Gannet495, and think you've been chosen as a prophet.

Help! Help! I'm bein repressed!

Flint · 07-30-2007, 03:54 PM

btw ... are there no more prophets, ever again, or, if there are, how do we distinguish them from crazy streetcorner bums?

... I have a hard time swallowing "because it happened a long time ago" as a rationale for valuing one crazy rant over another.

07-30-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Exactly, that is why I get pissed off whenever I hear that Islam is a violent religion.

In reality, it is actually more peaceful and forgiving than Christianity.

Neither are peaceful or forgiving.

If the moderates are not actively trying to prosecute and eradicate the radicals they are enablers just because they exist as members of the same religion.
"Well, I'm not like that" does not cut it. If they, as members of the same religions and communities are not actively telling police/soldiers where the radicals can be found and how to get to them (this is true of Christians with anti-abortion radicals and Muslims with "charities" that support terrorists and the terrorists themselves), cowardice is never an excuse, they are supporting them just by their existence, their numbers.

Usup · 07-30-2007, 06:21 PM

How is this Christianity vs. Islam? What kind of theological debate are you trying to prove?

07-30-2007, 06:49 PM

They are the same. There is no vs.

Usup · 07-30-2007, 10:38 PM

The title says "vs"

07-31-2007, 12:32 AM

LOL!

07-30-2007, 11:00 AM	#33
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07-30-2007, 01:10 PM	#36
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07-30-2007, 01:51 PM	#38
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	If God is a talkin' Don't bother knockin' __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

07-30-2007, 03:54 PM	#40
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	btw ... are there no more prophets, ever again, or, if there are, how do we distinguish them from crazy streetcorner bums? ... I have a hard time swallowing "because it happened a long time ago" as a rationale for valuing one crazy rant over another. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-30-2007, 06:21 PM	#42
Usup There is only one Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16	Hmm... How is this Christianity vs. Islam? What kind of theological debate are you trying to prove?

07-30-2007, 07:37 AM	#31
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	The Apostle Paul specifically says that the church is to rebuke its members and let God do the judging of the world. 1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat. 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. See, Christians are suppose to have judgment WITHIN the church, only of its (voluntary) members. God is the one that judges the world, Christians are to rebuke one another to keep each other on the straight and narrow path. How can a Christian expect a heathen to do the "right thing" since they do not have the Holy Spirit? Any Christian knows (believes) that only by the Holy Spirit can people truly do good works, and the Holy Spirit is received by faith in Christ Jesus the Lord. So if someone doesn't have faith in Jesus, a Christian can't really expect them to produce good fruit. A lot of people have been jaded by the hypocrisy of church-goers, because they have twisted and neglected this essential concept: God judges the world, not us. Let God do what God does best: judge. Christians suck at judging, and even if we didn't, the judgment is only supposed to occur WITHIN the church, AMONG people who have claimed to have repented of all their sins.

07-30-2007, 07:41 AM	#32
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	> Christianity has already passed through that "convert or die" stage. not really... Luk 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. If Jesus said "repent or perish", its a permanent part of Christianity. Thankfully, Christians (hopefully) understand that the "perishing" is not to be done at THEIR hand but at GOD's hand-- Jesus' message here is for YOU (the christian, the person hearing Jesus that believes him) to repent, and not to focus on the sins of others but to focus on one's own sins and repent of them and THEMSELF love one another fervently. There's nothing incorrect about "repent or perish" - all of the unrepentant will be cast into the lake of fire - but things like, oh, say, the spanish inquisition (NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!) occur when power-hungry vile and violent (so-called) Christians (wolves in sheep's clothing) force people to comply with the Law, whereas they should be preaching the good news of the gospel (forgiveness of sins through Jesus' blood on the cross).

07-30-2007, 01:41 PM	#37
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	When God talks to you... (that could be a whole thread of its own) ...you're in the Cellar.

07-30-2007, 06:49 PM	#43
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	They are the same. There is no vs.

07-30-2007, 10:38 PM	#44
Usup There is only one Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16	The title says "vs"

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