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Old 06-09-2011, 01:20 PM   #16
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Oh yes, and just remember, that these tornados, floods, fires (in Texas and Arizona/New Mexico) plus the 90+ temperatures on the east coast have absoulutely, positively beyond a shadow of a doubt has nothing whatsoever to do with climate change. . . . Really.
They have a word for this ... weather.

Climate change is mapped out over hundreds (that is more than 100) and thousands of years. A 20-year bump is nothing. That is weather.

(I am in the group that says, show me a peer reviewed, independent, non-politicized, proof of climate change and I will talk to you. Right now climate change is just another word for politicians to raise taxes, give funding to lobbiests, and pass laws like the "lightbulb Law" that will dump a billion dollars into GE's coffers.)
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:45 PM   #17
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Don't worry Coign, I'm not talking to you. Your list of prerequisites clearly indicate your position and your interest and willingness to learn more facts. I do find it interesting that one of your conditions is that you're only interested in talking about non-politicized information and in the very next sentence you display a high degree of politicization on the very same subject. I wonder what you *do* with non-politicized information?
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:48 PM   #18
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I find it interesting that people still take the attitude that the odds are so low that they don't do anything - at all - to provide some protection for themselves in their homes.

If I lived in tornado land I'd have a concrete bunker basement with a week's worth of supplies and some nice pipe-births. If storms where present we'd all just bunk out in the shelter.

Same thing if I lived in a flood-plane. I'd build my house on a scissors jack. Flood coming? I'd jack that baby up a story or two and split the scene.
HAHAHA...sure you would. LOL. I know I've always found it tons of fun to stay in practically the same room for a whole day, or even a week sometimes just because there are storms.
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Old 06-10-2011, 05:28 AM   #19
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Pretend you're on a Mars mission..?

Naw, I'm just talking about sleeping at night.
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Old 06-10-2011, 09:38 AM   #20
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HAHAHA...sure you would. LOL. I know I've always found it tons of fun to stay in practically the same room for a whole day, or even a week sometimes just because . . .
For this introvert, that is called a vacation!
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Old 06-10-2011, 09:39 AM   #21
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For this introvert, that is called a vacation!


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Old 06-10-2011, 12:42 PM   #22
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Don't worry Coign, I'm not talking to you. Your list of prerequisites clearly indicate your position and your interest and willingness to learn more facts. I do find it interesting that one of your conditions is that you're only interested in talking about non-politicized information and in the very next sentence you display a high degree of politicization on the very same subject. I wonder what you *do* with non-politicized information?
That is the problem with discussions of climate change right now. It immediately dives into politics right now. Carbon Tax, laws that outlaw incandescent bulbs, subsidiaries for ethanol, and more. There is a reason for governments to fund these papers that slant results to show it is happening so they can push more control, more taxes, and more money into the pockets of the congress/lobbiests backing it.

The problem is the computer models cannot prove or disprove climate change is man-made. And it is not even that they need to prove if it is happening or not, it it proving that carbon dioxide, the stuff that makes plants grow, is the cause of it.

Until we know it is happening, and more importantly know what it is causing it, anything we do to slow/halt/reverse it is just an unnecessary tax/control against an economy that does not have the money to spend.

http://climateaudit.org/2007/11/29/co2-levels/

Also Google "Climategate" and "Steve McIntyre" to get a start on a lot of views that say, "we don't have any proof. We are just now learning more about Climate and how we affect it."
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:02 PM   #23
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there is this thread ... on that subject.
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:16 PM   #24
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Old 06-10-2011, 02:00 PM   #25
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Old 06-10-2011, 03:05 PM   #28
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:44 PM   #29
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Let me get this straight: Roughly 6.5 billion people on the planet, consuming about 6.5 billion pounds of food and about 9.75 billion gallons of water per day, along with producing about 6 billion pounds of poo each day, along with burning the gasoline, diesel, wood, and coal to move and produce the food and electricity. . . Nah, we humans don't effect the planet a bit, never did.
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:40 PM   #30
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I hear ya!
I'm an introvert, I would not call it a vacation. Especially since you are also not supposed have things plugged into the wall during such a storm...like oh, say a TV, or computer, or lamp to read your book by....
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