Saddam to Swing - Page 2

Clodfobble · 11-07-2006, 10:30 AM

You used to be able to see a list of all the last meals everyone had requested, but they took it down because it was a rather popular link and they decided it was too morbid.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-07-2006, 10:03 PM

I have been for the death penalty all my life, for one big and I believe unanswerable reason: it shows our willingness to fight evil all the way to the very end. Good should not be in the business of quitting the contest at some self-imposed point.

That, and there's the complete lack of criminal recidivism once they're dead. It may not be all that prissy nice, but it does control the damage evildoers can do. That there is no appeal beyond the grave, well, that's just the flip side of carrying justice this far. Kvetching about it too much does not become us.

Flint · 11-08-2006, 09:24 AM

And, hey, if we should kill a few innocents, in the name of Good, it's a great way to teach Evil that we mean business.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-08-2006, 01:25 PM

Teaching evildoers that we mean business, in terms their defective minds understand, is the entire and I believe overwhelming point.

Flint · 11-08-2006, 01:26 PM

By accidentally executing innocent people, what "lesson" do we "teach" Evil? Which side are we on, then?

DanaC · 11-08-2006, 01:53 PM

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That, and there's the complete lack of criminal recidivism once they're dead. It may not be all that prissy nice, but it does control the damage evildoers can do.

Umm. I may be wrong, but I'd imagine there's a fairly low recidivism rate for people who serve a life sentence.

Also: Man walks free from jail, goes to a cornershop, pulls out a gun and shoots the shopkeeper, he is then convicted of murder and sentenced to death by lethal injection... result = 1 dead, innocent shopkeeper + 1 dead, guilty murderer.

But: Flawed police evidence and a poorly constructed defense by a defence lawyer, leads to the suspect ( a shopkeeper by trade) being wrongfully convicted of his wife's murder and sentenced to death by lethal injection.....result = 1 dead, innocent shopkeeper + 1 dead, innocent shopkeeper's wife.

How is the second situation a victory for justice?

footfootfoot · 11-08-2006, 08:36 PM

It don't mean a thing
if it ain't got that Swing...

Saddam Hussein · 11-08-2006, 08:42 PM

Interesting comments.

The chances of me taking back my country have just recently improved.

I'm not really a bad guy you know. And...I am sorry for all those bad things that I'm supposed to have done.

Will you let me out now?

Aliantha · 11-08-2006, 08:52 PM

no, you can stay in jail and rest there for the rest of your life.

Saddam Hussein · 11-08-2006, 08:55 PM

But I promise on a stack of Korans that I'll be super duper good and not kill anyone or spin a power drill through peoples' eye sockets.

How about now?

Trilby · 11-08-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saddam Hussein

But I promise on a stack of Korans that I'll be super duper good and not kill anyone or spin a power drill through peoples' eye sockets.

How about now?

Not till you say you're sorry for putting live, conscious people in the wood chipper feet first, you naughty boy.

Aliantha · 11-08-2006, 09:22 PM

Nope...you can still stay there! Bad bad baaaaaad boy!!!

11-08-2006, 10:42 PM

If you murder a murderer it just makes you one too and nothing else, same goes for sanctioning it.
It cannot be self-defense if they are strapped to a chair or table.
The point is to be better than the guilty.

Aliantha · 11-08-2006, 10:43 PM

I totally agree rkz.

Skunks · 11-09-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I have been for the death penalty all my life, for one big and I believe unanswerable reason: it shows our willingness to fight evil all the way to the very end. Good should not be in the business of quitting the contest at some self-imposed point.

I have, for as long as I can clearly recall, been of the mind that one should show her willingness to be better than evil all the way to the very end. Good should not be in the business of doing wrong. We should all be in the business of leading by example; of being just, not of justifying what we do.

Otherwise, what's the point? So what if you can say: "my ideas, my intentions, are better than yours?"

11-07-2006, 10:03 PM	#17
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I have been for the death penalty all my life, for one big and I believe unanswerable reason: it shows our willingness to fight evil all the way to the very end. Good should not be in the business of quitting the contest at some self-imposed point. That, and there's the complete lack of criminal recidivism once they're dead. It may not be all that prissy nice, but it does control the damage evildoers can do. That there is no appeal beyond the grave, well, that's just the flip side of carrying justice this far. Kvetching about it too much does not become us. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-08-2006, 09:24 AM	#18
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	And, hey, if we should kill a few innocents, in the name of Good, it's a great way to teach Evil that we mean business. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-08-2006, 01:25 PM	#19
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Teaching evildoers that we mean business, in terms their defective minds understand, is the entire and I believe overwhelming point. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-08-2006, 01:26 PM	#20
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	By accidentally executing innocent people, what "lesson" do we "teach" Evil? Which side are we on, then? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-08-2006, 08:36 PM	#22
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Swing... __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

11-07-2006, 10:30 AM	#16
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	You used to be able to see a list of all the last meals everyone had requested, but they took it down because it was a rather popular link and they decided it was too morbid.

11-08-2006, 08:42 PM	#23
Saddam Hussein The CIA faked my death Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: with OBL in the White House basement Posts: 61	Interesting comments. The chances of me taking back my country have just recently improved. I'm not really a bad guy you know. And...I am sorry for all those bad things that I'm supposed to have done. Will you let me out now?

11-08-2006, 08:52 PM	#24
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	no, you can stay in jail and rest there for the rest of your life. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-08-2006, 08:55 PM	#25
Saddam Hussein The CIA faked my death Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: with OBL in the White House basement Posts: 61	But I promise on a stack of Korans that I'll be super duper good and not kill anyone or spin a power drill through peoples' eye sockets. How about now?

11-08-2006, 09:22 PM	#27
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Nope...you can still stay there! Bad bad baaaaaad boy!!! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-08-2006, 10:42 PM	#28
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	If you murder a murderer it just makes you one too and nothing else, same goes for sanctioning it. It cannot be self-defense if they are strapped to a chair or table. The point is to be better than the guilty.

11-08-2006, 10:43 PM	#29
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I totally agree rkz. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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