Saddam to Swing - Page 3

Flint · 11-09-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunks

Good should not be in the business of doing wrong.

I agree, and I think the confusion starts when people define "good" and "evil' as groups of people instead of actions.

DanaC · 11-09-2006, 10:42 AM

Excellent point Flint.

Flint · 11-09-2006, 12:37 PM

Thank you. I find a similar confusion concerning the word "freedom" . . .

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-09-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

By accidentally executing innocent people, what "lesson" do we "teach" Evil? Which side are we on, then?

And by, not accidentally at all, executing the guilty ones, what lesson do we teach?

Understand that we are still on the side of right even when we make mistakes. Errors are to be regretted, but don't ask us to go paralytic. Evil's too tough for us to let up on it.

If there's one thing I cannot in conscience ask for, it's the kind of divine perfection you seem to want. This is a human endeavor.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-09-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If you murder a murderer it just makes you one too and nothing else, same goes for sanctioning it.
It cannot be self-defense if they are strapped to a chair or table.
The point is to be better than the guilty.

Rkzen, here your thinking is all wrong. You are misusing the term "murder," and thus setting up a total falsity. The difference between a rightful killing and a wrongful killing has been recognized at least since the Bronze Age. Rkzen, that is an awfully long distance to be behind the curve. Someone who cannot distinguish a rightful killing from a wrongful one is not an enlightened person by any measure, no matter how much he may hope otherwise.

Execution is self defense, extended to the whole of society, at least in the following of just and proper laws. A sign of good government such as ours is that execution is not over-used, in the fashion of the non-democracies. Non-democracies' overuse of death sentences is enough to give the entire thing a bad name, true -- but this should not delegitimize anyone else's efforts at damage control. In the end, that's what an execution is -- it's damage control.

Bad people try to undermine social self-defense. Good people understand it and uphold it.

DanaC · 11-11-2006, 07:53 AM

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Bad people try to undermine social self-defense. Good people understand it and uphold it.

Murderers are bad mmmkay.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-11-2006, 11:45 AM

Would it be "right and just" to prosecute and punish a frenchman in English. No, justice should be in the language the defendant understands.

Executing violent criminals is justice in their language. Appropriate response is the true high road.

Flint · 11-11-2006, 04:59 PM

And accidentally executing a few innocents is the language of: ???

Saddam Hussein · 11-11-2006, 05:18 PM

The only swinging Saddam has in his future is on a swingset.....shooting a rifle into the air laughing.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-12-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

And accidentally executing a few innocents is the language of: ???

There are no innocents over 2 years old.

DanaC · 11-12-2006, 12:53 PM

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There are no innocents over 2 years old.

Oh well, as long as they're guilty of something.

Flint · 11-12-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Good should not be in the business of quitting the contest at some self-imposed point.

"And remember: Evil will always prevail, because Good is dumb."

JayMcGee · 11-12-2006, 08:39 PM

if it's wrong to kill, then it's wrong to kill.

(checks the ten commandments for the small print)

xoxoxoBruce · 11-12-2006, 10:51 PM

The ten commandments were a covenant with the Jews. I'm not Jewish.:p

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-14-2006, 12:22 AM

The Commandment proscribes wrongful killing, Jay. Even people who aren't Bible scholars know about that.

11-09-2006, 12:37 PM	#33
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Thank you. I find a similar confusion concerning the word "freedom" . . . __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-11-2006, 11:45 AM	#37
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Would it be "right and just" to prosecute and punish a frenchman in English. No, justice should be in the language the defendant understands. Executing violent criminals is justice in their language. Appropriate response is the true high road. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-11-2006, 04:59 PM	#38
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	And accidentally executing a few innocents is the language of: ??? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-12-2006, 08:39 PM	#43
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	if it's wrong to kill, then it's wrong to kill. (checks the ten commandments for the small print) __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-12-2006, 10:51 PM	#44
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The ten commandments were a covenant with the Jews. I'm not Jewish.:p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-09-2006, 10:42 AM	#32
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Excellent point Flint.

11-11-2006, 05:18 PM	#39
Saddam Hussein The CIA faked my death Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: with OBL in the White House basement Posts: 61	The only swinging Saddam has in his future is on a swingset.....shooting a rifle into the air laughing.

11-14-2006, 12:22 AM	#45
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The Commandment proscribes wrongful killing, Jay. Even people who aren't Bible scholars know about that. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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