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Originally Posted by DanaC

I really hate that I had to defend Boris Fucking Johnson

First off, useful responses were done by others at the lower level. He refused to admit a problem existed until late March - too late. Much too late as demonstrated by so many other nations who used science to make a decision.

Second, he only did what was necessary back in February or 1 March. At this point, his actions should have been far more aggressive.

The US, that has some of the worst response, has seen 0.03% of its population killed. UK has seen 0.052% of its population die due to a pathetic response. A percentage equivalent to Italy. Britain's death rates are among the highest.

Boris Johnson remained in denial almost as long as Trump did.

At the same time NYC mayor de Blasio was also in denial at the same time since (we have now learned) his aid (Dr Katz) told him on 10 March, “no proof that closures will help stop the spread.” Also saying that 99% will recover without any harm. (The actual number is maybe 0.4% or 0.6% will die which is why it was a pending disaster.) So de Blasio also did nothing just like Boris Johnson until weeks later. Too little too late.

We are discussing honest people who make decisions from science (like an adult) and not from their emotions (like Johnson who also created another disaster - Brexit. Watch Johnson blame the economic downturn only on Covid-19. And not on him and Brexit.)

Well I am seeing NYCs death rate at somewhere near one in 400 or one in 600 NYC citizens have been killed by Covid-19. If accurate, that puts NYCs numbers about ten times higher than the national average or about 6 times higher than UKs.

Again demonstrates what happens when someone ignored science until late March - as Boris Johnson did.

We know the number of killed Americans is more than China's. Once rhetoric from proverbial liars (including The Don) is eliminated, then China lost 0.02% of their population. Meaning China's leaders (after they stopped denying it) did more than Boris Johnson.

Damning numbers. We know that admitting reality in late March indicated a leader was emotional - did not view science, numbers, or logic like an adult.

BTW, what did it take for de Blasio to finally admit (before Boris Johnson) that he must do something? Reports now say his health department people trooped into his office around 1 March and threatened to resign if he did not do something. A need for action was obvious back then - when Boris Johnson was in public denial. (And when the brainwashed who watch Fake Fox News claimed this was only another flu: "regular old flu being hyped by snowflake libtards.")

The emotional must see something that emotional before they will do their job. Johnson (like Trump) could not bother to listen to science until after 20 March - when he got sick.

Ironically, same adults who are still children also deny global warming. And plenty of other science.

At what point do we finally admit who is logical (advances mankind) and who promotes emotionally inspired lies? Boris Johnson clearly does not deserve to be defended. Doing nothing until the end of March makes obvious he was irresponsible. And does not deserve to be defended.

So who should Trump be casting blame on? The Chinese who took on the challenge too later and managed to result their death rate? Or Boris Johnson who refused to acknowledge a threat until he got sick?

Numbers do not lie. A responsible Boris Johnson (or Trump) would have been fully involved BEFORE 1 March.

When did I buy my masks? Early January. I saw it coming for the same reason I also saw Saddam did not have WMDs. Facts. Even in early January, masks were hard to find because adults who are adults saw this threat that early.

[sexobon]

Don't feel bad, The Doctor would've done the same thing. Then he would've regenerated 'cause it would've killed him.

[DanaC]

Johnson (like Trump) could not bother to listen to science until about 20 March - when he got sick.

You make many valid points, but you seem peculiarly invested in the notion that Johnson did not take the pandemic or the science seriously until he himself got sick.

Again - this is untrue.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Again - this is untrue

You did not quote the supporting fact why. So you are (unfortunately) doing what extremist are doing. I expect to see a fact that shows Boris Johnson openly addressing this problem when it was obvious on 1 March.

As was posted here long ago, before Johnson became sick, he had missed five of the government’s emergency “COBRA” crisis meetings on the virus. That was one critical meeting every week starting in mid-February when adults saw an impending disaster. Johnson could not be bothered until just before he had to isolate himself at home. Just another damning fact that says he could not be bothered to do his job.

How is that any different than Trump? How is that being a responsible leader? Why would anyone defend this man whose inactions resulted ins 0.052% of the population dead - one of the world's higher numbers?

[DanaC]

You did not quote the supporting fact why. So you are (unfortunately) doing what extremist are doing. I expect to see a fact that shows Boris Johnson openly addressing this problem when it was obvious on 1 March.

You are changing the goal posts.

You have claimed several times now that Johnson was not treating this as a serious problem until he himself got sick.

I am telling you that is untrue and have posted a timeline of what he and his government were doing prior to him getting sick.

note: I am not saying Boris Johnson has done an outstanding job - I am saying that bit about him not taking it seriously / not listening to the science until he got sick is untrue and I have evidenced that in this thread.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

You have claimed several times now that Johnson was not treating this as a serious problem until he himself got sick.

I am telling you that is untrue and have posted a timeline of what he and his government were doing prior to him getting sick.

Show me anything in that list that he did before 20 March. Before that time, only lower level government people were doing anything to protect British citizens. Including COBRA crisis meeting that he intentionally ignored for 6 weeks because the threat (according to him) did not exist.

COBRA, et al was responsible people trying to deal with an impending crisis in February. Johnson could not be bothered. As that timeline also demonstrates.

Again, I expect to see the exact sentence quoted from that timeline that shows Johnson (not anyone else) taking responsibility for an impending crisis. I am asking for it. But again, it is still not detailed. Only listed is a subjective conclusion from a timeline that says only others did something before 20 March - without his cooperation.

Based upon every supporting fact that you have posted, Johnson completely ignored an obvious crisis until after 20 March. Does not matter what responsible people in government did. He did not.

Where are supporting facts (ie he attended a COBRA meeting in mid-February). Sentence from the timeline is quoted. And what he specifically did for that sentence is cited. He did not take it seriously until after 20 March - too late. As your timeline demonstrates.

Does not matter what his government was doing. Does not mater what responsible little people were doing. What matters is what he was doing since - and no way around this - 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Which explains UK's high death rates.

Show me where he decided to address this threat in mid February when patriotic British government officials tried to address it - while he remained in denial. You only showed by how obvious the threat was long before 20 March - when he ignored everything until after 20 March - as he was getting sick.

He was even shacking hands when, if he took it seriously, he would not be doing. Because he did not take it seriously.

[DanaC]

Why before the 20th March?


My contention is that he was taking this seriously before he got ill with Covid-19.

You have said this:

Boris who finally admitted the pandemic exists - only after he ended up in the ICU

and variations thereof on several occasions now.

Boris tested positive for Covid-19 on March 27 - a full 4 days after the Prime Minister announced the country was going into lockdown.

I am not arguing he did a good job (I think he did a very mixed job) I am saying you are spicing your legitimate criticisms with an accusation that is blatantly false.

Could he have taken it more seriously, and sooner? Yes, I think he could have
Could a huge number of Covid-19 deaths have been avoided had a different strategy been followed and had Boris recognised the scale and speed of the threat much sooner? Yes, I think that is probably fair to say.

Did he only 'admit the pandemic exists' after he himself got ill?

No. This is not true. Please stop spreading misinformation.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Why before the 20th March?
...
My contention is that he was taking this seriously before he got ill with Covid-19.

Where is one fact that supports that hypothesis? He completely ignored the threat until it was too late - 20 March.

Best you can do is speculate he was not symptomatic when he finally acknowledged a threat. So how many days was that? He was tested on 27 March because felt sick for days. Never ignore numbers. So he was probably sick on 20 March. One is typically sick for about a week days before symptoms appear.

Irrelevant that he was sick on 27 March. He refused to acknowledge reality until, at the same time or earlier, even he got sick. And even on 25 March, he acknowledgement was tepid at best. Which explains so many dead Brits.

He intentionally ignored the crisis resulting in some of some of the world's highest death rates. When is that a responsible leader? He remains in denial (just like Putin). High death rates directly traceable to an extremist PM - who could not bother for months to acknowledge reality (as that list also demonstrates).

He refuse to go to COBRA meetings, that were created to address a major crisis, until 6 weeks later. That is Johnson working for Britain? Or Johnson working only for himself? Obviously he was ignoring it. Facts (and that list) say so.

He was even shaking hands when it was obvious that a medical crisis existed. He was still in denial even when he tepidly said a virus might be coming.

Where in that list is one fact that says was acting responsible before ...? I keep demanding a fact. None posted because none exists.

Irrelevant is what others in the Queen's government were doing. He was in denial like an extremist - an adult who uses emotions to make decisions. Same emotions that promoted Brexit.

Lower level government officials saw what was glaringly obvious before 1 March. COBRA meeting started in February because the threat was that obvious, dangerous, and coming. Boris Johnson intentionally ignored them. He could not be bothered to learn facts - until those facts made him deadly sick for six weeks.

Those damn numbers.

From the BBC - incoming Chinese students openly complaining because nobody could be found in the airport to take their temperature. That is Johnson taking this pandemic seriously?

Would Jeremy Corbyn have done better? Again, where are facts that can answer that? Based upon his history, I doubt it.

How about Theresa May? Again, another British leader who could not demonstrate leadership. Britain once had great leaders.

Well George Jr massacred 5000 American servicemen for no purpose. Which leader was less responsible?

Oh those damning facts and numbers.

[sexobon]

Tw couldn't get on Trump's list; so, now he's trying to get on Johnson's list. He's hoping you'll report him to MI6. Don't do it. Just report him to the NHS so they can have a room waiting for him if he visits.

[Griff]

Maybe if he starts now he can get on Biden's list.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

Maybe if he starts now he can get on Biden's list.

Only wacko extremists have such lists. Do you have one? Apparently not.

Hopefully I am on UG's and Henry Quirk's enemies list. They certain have one. A Trump supporter needs a big gun and an enemies list. Then runs around singing patriotic songs and waving big flags.

[DanaC]

My contention is that he was taking this seriously before he got ill with Covid-19.

You have said this:

Quote:
Boris who finally admitted the pandemic exists - only after he ended up in the ICU
and variations thereof on several occasions now.

Boris tested positive for Covid-19 on March 27 - a full 4 days after the Prime Minister announced the country was going into lockdown.

Where is one fact that supports that hypothesis? He completely ignored the threat until it was too late - 20 March.

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

That icon is me trying to get you to do what honest people do. Show me facts. Show me the numbers. No honest person cares about emotional or speculated beliefs. They are irrelevant.

Post the sentence from that list. Then cite where Johnson did anything for that sentence. Never done. And for one obvious reason.

Boris remained in denial until about 20 March - about the same time he got sick.

Post supporting facts. I do not care that extremists claim he did anything before 20 March. Please cite facts. Your unsupported beliefs remains wild speculation - never once supported by a single citation.

DanaC has posted everything that Boris Johnson did before 20 March. That list is empty. Boris Johnson did nothing to empower, support, or acknowledge what subordinate (patriotic) people in Britain were doing. Johnson remained in denial until about 20 March. As a result - another damning fact - Britain has some of the world's highest death rates.

No problem. Putin also remained in denial. So Russia may exceed UK's death numbers. Then we can praise Boris Johnson for being more responsible.

Boris Johnson may have been infected before 20 March. Which is why he tested positive on 27 March. He did nothing until even he got sick. Do not ignore all those dead Brits because Boris Johnson refused to do anything (denied it) for so long.

Please DanaC. It is such a simple thing to do. Cite the sentence from your list - well before 20 March. And show us how Boris Johnson was taking the threat seriously by doing it. It is that simple if Boris was not in denial.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by tw

… Please DanaC. It is such a simple thing to do. ...

@DanaC,

Good job babe, always leave them wanting more.

[DanaC]

Boris remained in denial until about 20 March - about the same time he got sick.

6 March – The Prime Minister announces £46 million in funding for research into a coronavirus vaccine and rapid diagnostic tests. During a visit to a laboratory in Bedfordshire, he says: "It looks like there will be a substantial period of disruption where we have to deal with this outbreak."

DanaC has posted everything that Boris Johnson did before 20 March. That list is empty. Boris Johnson did nothing to empower, support, or acknowledge what subordinate (patriotic) people in Britain were doing.

Just because departmental ministers come up with strategies and plans and announce them - don't think the Prime Minister is not involved - it is a cabinet system.

Boris Johnson may have been infected before 20 March

'May' being the operative word

Also- nice to see you have at least dropped the lie that he wasn't taking this seriously until he landed in ICU - it's a step in the right direction.