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Old 11-29-2007, 06:42 PM   #16
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I know that the people who see themselves as waging war on America, who are not American, Muslims in particular; are not doing so because of our "freedoms". Oh there are those who see our freedom, and use of our freedom as an encroachment on their society. IE...pornography as freedom of expression is readily available through the press, cinema, and internet. These are the same people who would throw acid in the face of a car driver for wearing a seatbelt...because it's depriving Allah the privilege of taking his life in an accident. These guys are a minority. The minority sure has a track record for making the biggest problems.

I think it is a very immature attitude to think we are not responsible at some degree, great or small, for creating our enemies.

It is indeed a big ball of wax eh? The bottom line for me, is that our enemies are there, regardless of how they were created. They are real, and we do need to take action. There is a full spectrum of action as well, many different paths to take, some simultaneously. I am not a foreign policy maker, except at the voting booth. Nor am I am foreign policy expert. I'm sure action should include those actions that will build the good will we once had in the world. Boy will that take about a generation. Long term thinking isn't our forte, though.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:47 PM   #17
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:49 PM   #18
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Do I understand you correctly if I were to say that you are more afraid of our Government abusing the power we may give it to protect us then you are of the threats in our world?
The only power the terrorists have is what the hysteria they cause makes us do. Other than that, all they are is murderers.

If they make us accept the elimination of civil protections, then they have done permanent damage.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:48 PM   #19
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Imagine if this was put up by a democrat during the Clintoon Presidency... the GOP would have raised he double hockey sticks.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:20 PM   #20
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Gosh, don't you appreciate the "brightest & best"tm, we've elected to congress, is just trying to protect us from THEM?
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:10 AM   #21
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I'm way ahead of you here, Kits.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:09 PM   #22
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I find it strange that they are adopting policies that are already standard practice. Like there was a vote on it or something, all of it was already covered by the same act. As if it is a news flash. No wonder I think everything is reoccurring. Because it is.

This is crazy-making. Like this:


I for one, find it odd that we have these common practices, already covered in the same article, and act like it has come to a vote.



This is a mobius policy strip. Like this:


We have allowed policies that are already standard, effect our lives in such a way that we think they are new. The media, and congress have you believeing that things are new, when they are actually already in practice. Why is this a news flash? Do you have no memory? No wonder I think things are reoccurring...because they are.

Here's a news flash: These policies are already standard, and were in practice before it went to congress, and it is already covered in the same very act anyway. No wonder I think things are reoccurring.

Like this:

Isn't it odd that the media and congress are publishing news of things that are already common practice? As if there were a vote on it in the first place? Even built inside the same act. Why does it seem like these things are reoccurring? Well here's a news flash:



etc. etc.....
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:53 PM   #23
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Didn't you already post that? I think I read that before...
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:02 PM   #24
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Didn't you already post that? I think I read that before...
I can also name something that won't be reoccurring. There are exceptions.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:39 PM   #25
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I was just playing along - you got that right?
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:25 PM   #26
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This is just another steep on the road to totalitarianism
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