Sistine Chapel Ceiling

arz · 10-27-2003, 01:05 PM

A story in "Image of the Day" regarding the cleaning of Michaelangelo's "David" included a link to a commentary about the cleaning.

The author comments that:

Quote:

A restored Sistine Chapel may be closer to Michelangelo, but it’s further from us. Michelangelo made David, but we decide what it means.

He's wrong, of course. A cleaned ceiling reveals the work as it is meant to be seen and thus brings us closer to both the artist and his work and therefore its meaning.

Here is a photo of the Sistine Chapel ceiling, taken by me on October 22, 2003.

99 44/100% pure · 10-27-2003, 02:41 PM

Beautiful. Thanks for posting.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-27-2003, 05:44 PM

All that nakedness that can't be seen by someone wearing a short skirt.

Uryoces · 10-27-2003, 06:56 PM

Further cleaning has revealed the origin of the world's oldest gag.

- Bad MS Paint picture, long way to go for bad gag. i.e. removed at request of Arz -

arz · 10-27-2003, 08:28 PM

Please don't fuck with my photos.

It was extremely uncool when NTN did it to another one of mine, but I kept my mouth shut that time. Not this time; I request that you remove your post.

Uryoces · 10-28-2003, 02:43 PM

Arz, I removed the picture that I modified, (it was a "Pull my finger" gag with God reaching out ot Adam), it was a long way to go for a bad gag, and not well done, so I have no issue with removing it.

However, You did post a photo in an open forum for public consumption, with no indication of copyright, other than to say "Here is a picture I took." If you are that serious about your art, this may not be the place to post such things. This is especially true knowing half the loonies running around here.

No harm intended.

[edit] I'm also not going to say anything about your choice of language, considering the relaxed atmosphere.

arz · 10-28-2003, 03:08 PM

Thanks, Uryoces. And sorry about the f word, but I was very annoyed.

...

In the US, copyright is now implied; I don't have to directly state it to claim it.

And, given the "community spirit" (aka "relaxed atmosphere") of The Cellar, I shouldn't have to expect that others will take a (admittedly a low-resolution JPEG) copy of one of my images, "mess" with it and then post the messed-with version as a joke.

And yet it has happened twice now, which I think really sucks for a lot of reasons, some of which have to do with my inflated opinion of my own artistic abilities relative to a lot of what gets posted here as a "quality" image.

Yes, this is a hot-button issue for me.

perth · 10-28-2003, 03:22 PM

Arz, I would suggest to you that part of the "Community Spirit" or "Relaxed Atmosphere" of the Cellar is that people here feel comfortable enough with each other to joke around now and then. You "kept your mouth shut" the first time, and its not really fair to fly off the handle when its done the second time. You created the precedent.

Regardless. If you don't want humour inserted into the thread at your expense of your pictures, your best bet is to not post them at all. It would be a shame, but its the only way to ensure it never happens. People rib each other from time to time. Especially in a relaxed environment where we all know each other. I imagine people will avoid editing your pictures in future because of this post, but they probably won't forget why.

In other words, forget about it. We're all friends here (most of us, anyways. I fucking hate that Dave guy

).

10-28-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by perth
In other words, forget about it. We're all friends here (most of us, anyways. I fucking hate that Dave guy

).

I found the melted-case copy of Rallisport Challenge too. That's 2 Xbox games I'm offering you, both of which got 9+ ratings on IGN. PM me your address, fool.

10-28-2003, 03:42 PM

And arz, being that you seem familiar with copyright law, you're aware of the parody exception, I'm sure. Meaning that you can ask nicely to have the modified image removed, but you have no legal basis to do so.

I just wanted to point that out for those that weren't aware.

(I didn't see it, but I've seen the "pull my finger" gag about a million times, so whatever. I guess maybe some of my photos I wouldn't want being messed with, but I wouldn't post them if that were the case. I think you post good images, so I encourage you to keep posting; I don't have the time or the interest to muck with them, but obviously others do. I'd suggest you just lighten up, dude. No one thinks your stuff sucks - they just see an opportunity to be funny with it at times. I look at it as adding value to your photo, albeit in a different way. So whereas your picture of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel is awesome and inspiring in an art sense, it can also be funny as well. See, to me, that's a bonus.)

Uryoces · 10-28-2003, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dave
... I look at it as adding value to your photo, albeit in a different way ...

Uh, no. My added value was a hack job. :p

arz · 10-28-2003, 05:08 PM

perth,

Quote:

If you don't want humour inserted into the thread at your expense of your pictures, your best bet is to not post them at all.

You're absolutely correct on that. I will keep that in the frontmost of my mind the next time I ponder posting an image.

perth · 10-28-2003, 05:55 PM

So is that "I'm mad so I'm taking my ball and going home" or is that a realisation that no one means any harm by it? I don't want it to be misinterpreted.

Seriously, we all get ribbed from time to time. It would be a shame for you to stop posting your photos because of this, they are very interesting and I am sure I'm not the only one who enjoys seeing them.

If you don't want people to edit them, thats fine. You said as much. And now everyone knows. But you have also created the perception that you can't take a joke.

hot_pastrami · 10-28-2003, 06:39 PM

Welcome arz, you must be new here on the Internet. In case you didn't notice the sign next to the door on the way in, one of the warnings reads:

"Whatsoever you place on the Internet may become subject to scrutiny, criticism, and/or parody. Contribute at your own emotional risk."

Luckily, we're all friends here and any such scrutiny, criticism, and/or parody are done in a friendly manner. Nice photo, by the way. Keep 'em coming.

wolf · 10-29-2003, 12:29 AM

If you've been reading The Cellar for a while, you may have noticed it's pretty much a given that if an interesting (or uninteresting) photo is posted here, even if NOT in the photoshop phrenzy phorum (sorry), it's gonna get played with.

And usually in a rather creative, clever way.

(hey, I thought the "pull my finger" gag was funny, but then I am easily amused.)

It's one of those things that passes as an honor around here, yah know?

10-27-2003, 02:41 PM	#2
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10-27-2003, 05:44 PM	#3
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10-27-2003, 06:56 PM	#4
Uryoces 2nd Covenant, yo Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pugetropolis Posts: 583	Further cleaning has revealed the origin of the world's oldest gag. - Bad MS Paint picture, long way to go for bad gag. i.e. removed at request of Arz - __________________ The party's over ... the drink ... and the luck ... ran out. Last edited by Uryoces; 10-28-2003 at 02:37 PM.

10-27-2003, 08:28 PM	#5
arz Hand-of-Kindness Extender Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 137	Hey Uryoces Please don't fuck with my photos. It was extremely uncool when NTN did it to another one of mine, but I kept my mouth shut that time. Not this time; I request that you remove your post.

10-28-2003, 02:43 PM	#6
Uryoces 2nd Covenant, yo Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pugetropolis Posts: 583	Arz, I removed the picture that I modified, (it was a "Pull my finger" gag with God reaching out ot Adam), it was a long way to go for a bad gag, and not well done, so I have no issue with removing it. However, You did post a photo in an open forum for public consumption, with no indication of copyright, other than to say "Here is a picture I took." If you are that serious about your art, this may not be the place to post such things. This is especially true knowing half the loonies running around here. No harm intended. [edit] I'm also not going to say anything about your choice of language, considering the relaxed atmosphere. __________________ The party's over ... the drink ... and the luck ... ran out.

10-28-2003, 03:08 PM	#7
arz Hand-of-Kindness Extender Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 137	Thanks, Uryoces. And sorry about the f word, but I was very annoyed. ... In the US, copyright is now implied; I don't have to directly state it to claim it. And, given the "community spirit" (aka "relaxed atmosphere") of The Cellar, I shouldn't have to expect that others will take a (admittedly a low-resolution JPEG) copy of one of my images, "mess" with it and then post the messed-with version as a joke. And yet it has happened twice now, which I think really sucks for a lot of reasons, some of which have to do with my inflated opinion of my own artistic abilities relative to a lot of what gets posted here as a "quality" image. Yes, this is a hot-button issue for me.

10-28-2003, 03:22 PM	#8
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	Arz, I would suggest to you that part of the "Community Spirit" or "Relaxed Atmosphere" of the Cellar is that people here feel comfortable enough with each other to joke around now and then. You "kept your mouth shut" the first time, and its not really fair to fly off the handle when its done the second time. You created the precedent. Regardless. If you don't want humour inserted into the thread at your expense of your pictures, your best bet is to not post them at all. It would be a shame, but its the only way to ensure it never happens. People rib each other from time to time. Especially in a relaxed environment where we all know each other. I imagine people will avoid editing your pictures in future because of this post, but they probably won't forget why. In other words, forget about it. We're all friends here (most of us, anyways. I fucking hate that Dave guy ).

10-28-2003, 03:42 PM	#10
dave Guest Posts: n/a	And arz, being that you seem familiar with copyright law, you're aware of the parody exception, I'm sure. Meaning that you can ask nicely to have the modified image removed, but you have no legal basis to do so. I just wanted to point that out for those that weren't aware. (I didn't see it, but I've seen the "pull my finger" gag about a million times, so whatever. I guess maybe some of my photos I wouldn't want being messed with, but I wouldn't post them if that were the case. I think you post good images, so I encourage you to keep posting; I don't have the time or the interest to muck with them, but obviously others do. I'd suggest you just lighten up, dude. No one thinks your stuff sucks - they just see an opportunity to be funny with it at times. I look at it as adding value to your photo, albeit in a different way. So whereas your picture of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel is awesome and inspiring in an art sense, it can also be funny as well. See, to me, that's a bonus.)

10-28-2003, 05:55 PM	#13
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	So is that "I'm mad so I'm taking my ball and going home" or is that a realisation that no one means any harm by it? I don't want it to be misinterpreted. Seriously, we all get ribbed from time to time. It would be a shame for you to stop posting your photos because of this, they are very interesting and I am sure I'm not the only one who enjoys seeing them. If you don't want people to edit them, thats fine. You said as much. And now everyone knows. But you have also created the perception that you can't take a joke.

10-28-2003, 06:39 PM	#14
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	Welcome arz, you must be new here on the Internet. In case you didn't notice the sign next to the door on the way in, one of the warnings reads: "Whatsoever you place on the Internet may become subject to scrutiny, criticism, and/or parody. Contribute at your own emotional risk." Luckily, we're all friends here and any such scrutiny, criticism, and/or parody are done in a friendly manner. Nice photo, by the way. Keep 'em coming. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

10-29-2003, 12:29 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	If you've been reading The Cellar for a while, you may have noticed it's pretty much a given that if an interesting (or uninteresting) photo is posted here, even if NOT in the photoshop phrenzy phorum (sorry), it's gonna get played with. And usually in a rather creative, clever way. (hey, I thought the "pull my finger" gag was funny, but then I am easily amused.) It's one of those things that passes as an honor around here, yah know? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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