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Old 01-24-2020, 03:37 PM   #61
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The employers (the private citizens) know the employees (the elected folk) are fuckin' around. Some care, many don't.

Domestication.
Naw, I mean employers.

Corporations. Small business. Whatever.

Humans are not meant to be farmed?
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:28 PM   #62
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Humans are not meant to be farmed?
Only when makin' Soylent Green.
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:09 PM   #63
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"The government is not only a regulator, but a participant in the market."

Yeah, it interferes up and down the line: as regulator, standard-setter, participant; as enforcer, as restrictor, as thief.

And the one thing it should be doin' (contract arbitration) it does poorly cuz it's mixed up in all the other nonsense I list above.
Not it or it's, the government is not singular, the government is an assembly of thousands of agencies, departments, and bureaus. You're making the mistake of thinking one knows what the other is doing when in fact they hardly know the other exists.
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Old 01-25-2020, 01:13 AM   #64
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Not it or it's, the government is not singular, the government is an assembly of thousands of agencies, departments, and bureaus. You're making the mistake of thinking one knows what the other is doing when in fact they hardly know the other exists.
Companies are the same way, after a certain size.

The left tentacle never knows what the right tentacle is doing.
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Old 01-25-2020, 09:26 AM   #65
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Some CEOs use that to make the tentacles compete.
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Old 01-25-2020, 10:14 AM   #66
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Not it or it's, the government is not singular, the government is an assembly of thousands of agencies, departments, and bureaus. You're making the mistake of thinking one knows what the other is doing when in fact they hardly know the other exists.
Actually, gov is made up of thousands of individuals, employees, each and every one, all tasked supposedly to manage resources of one kind or another, each supposedly lent a certain amount of power to accomplish that management.

Shouldn't matter that this one doesn't know that one if all are equally pointed in the same direction and serve the same master.

The employees, elected and appointed, however, don't serve: they rule, and they do it under the umbrella of, hefting the Big Stick of, government.

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Companies are the same way, after a certain size.
Sure. Here's the difference: companies can't jail you if you object and decline to do business with 'em.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:12 AM   #67
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Some CEOs use that to make the tentacles compete.

Yeah, AT&T started that in the 80s. It worked out well, by which I mean "That was effectively the end of AT&T."

Same thing happened to Sears.
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Old 01-27-2020, 09:13 AM   #68
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Sure. Here's the difference: companies can't jail you if you object and decline to do business with 'em.

You're technically correct. They have the government do that for them.
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:17 AM   #69
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You're technically correct. They have the government do that for them.
I'll wait for you to foist up a single verifiable example of a company havin' the gov jail someone cuz that someone declined to do business with with that company...but I won't hold my breath.
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:41 AM   #70
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I'll wait for you to foist up a single verifiable example of a company havin' the gov jail someone cuz that someone declined to do business with with that company...but I won't hold my breath.
Ever get caught driving without insurance?
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Ever get caught driving without insurance?
If Progressive could have me arrested for not doin' business with Progressive, you'd have a point. But they can't, so you don't.
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:52 AM   #72
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If Progressive could have me arrested for not doin' business with Progressive, you'd have a point. But they can't, so you don't.
You are forced to purchase a product in their industry. So they get to keep the same percentage of a market share that is mandate to buy that product as they had prior to the mandate.

In other words, as each state made it mandatory, everyone in the industry suddenly made more money.

So it counts, unless you split hairs for a living.
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You are forced to purchase a product in their industry. So they get to keep the same percentage of a market share that is mandate to buy that product as they had prior to the mandate.

In other words, as each state made it mandatory, everyone in the industry suddenly made more money.

So it counts, unless you split hairs for a living.
So, if I go to trial (cuz I won't insure, won't pay fines, and keep drivin'): is it 'me vs the insurance company' or 'me vs the state'?
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:12 PM   #74
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So, if I go to trial (cuz I won't insure, won't pay fines, and keep drivin'): is it 'me vs the insurance company' or 'me vs the state'?
You vs the state. It is a criminal action, not a civil one.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:23 PM   #75
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You vs the state. It is a criminal action, not a civil one.
Exactly: I offend against the state, not the business.

When I'm tried, and found guilty, the fine I pay is to the state: I pay no compensation to the business.

And, the final nail: if I have no car, then I don't have to buy insurance.

I get your point, but you're wrong.
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